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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
Cc: Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com, anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	ast@kernel.org, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	jeyu@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	kristen@linux.intel.com, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	deneen.t.dock@intel.com, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: New flag for flush before releasing pages
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:03:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181204160304.GB7195@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4883FED1-D0EC-41B0-A90F-1A697756D41D@gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 05:43:11PM -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Since vfree will lazily flush the TLB, but not lazily free the underlying pages,
> > it often leaves stale TLB entries to freed pages that could get re-used. This is
> > undesirable for cases where the memory being freed has special permissions such
> > as executable.
> 
> So I am trying to finish my patch-set for preventing transient W+X mappings
> from taking space, by handling kprobes & ftrace that I missed (thanks again for
> pointing it out).
> 
> But all of the sudden, I don’t understand why we have the problem that this
> (your) patch-set deals with at all. We already change the mappings to make
> the memory writable before freeing the memory, so why can’t we make it
> non-executable at the same time? Actually, why do we make the module memory,
> including its data executable before freeing it???

Yeah, this is really confusing, but I have a suspicion it's a combination
of the various different configurations and hysterical raisins. We can't
rely on module_alloc() allocating from the vmalloc area (see nios2) nor
can we rely on disable_ro_nx() being available at build time.

If we *could* rely on module allocations always using vmalloc(), then
we could pass in Rick's new flag and drop disable_ro_nx() altogether
afaict -- who cares about the memory attributes of a mapping that's about
to disappear anyway?

Is it just nios2 that does something different?

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-04 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28  0:07 [PATCH 0/2] Don’t leave executable TLB entries to freed pages Rick Edgecombe
2018-11-28  0:07 ` [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: New flag for flush before releasing pages Rick Edgecombe
2018-12-04  0:04   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04  0:04     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04  0:04     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04  1:43   ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 16:03     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-12-04 20:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04 20:02         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04 20:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 20:09           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 23:52           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04 23:52             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  1:57             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05  1:57               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 11:41           ` Will Deacon
2018-12-05 11:41             ` Will Deacon
2018-12-05 23:16             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 23:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06  7:29               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06  7:29                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 11:10                 ` Will Deacon
2018-12-06 11:10                   ` Will Deacon
2018-12-06 18:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 18:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:01                   ` Tycho Andersen
2018-12-06 19:01                     ` Tycho Andersen
2018-12-06 19:19                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:19                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:39                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-06 19:39                         ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-06 20:17                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 20:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 23:08                           ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-06 23:08                             ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-07  3:06                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-07  3:06                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-06 20:19                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-06 20:19                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-06 20:26                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 20:26                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:04                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 19:04                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 19:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:20                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:23                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 19:23                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 19:31                         ` Will Deacon
2018-12-06 19:31                           ` Will Deacon
2018-12-06 19:36                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-06 19:36                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-12-04 20:36         ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 20:36           ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 23:51           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-04 23:51             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  0:01             ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  0:01               ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  0:29               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  0:29                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  0:53                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  0:53                   ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  1:45                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  1:45                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  2:09                     ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  2:09                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 18:56     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 18:56       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 19:44       ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 19:44         ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 19:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 19:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 22:48           ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 22:48             ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 23:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 23:27               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 23:34               ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-04 23:34                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  1:09             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  1:09               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-12-05  1:45               ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-05  1:45                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-28  0:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/modules: Make x86 allocs to flush when free Rick Edgecombe
2018-11-28 23:11   ` Andrew Morton
2018-11-29  0:02     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-29  0:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-29  1:40   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  1:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  6:14     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-29  6:14       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-28  1:06 ` [PATCH 0/2] Don’t leave executable TLB entries to freed pages Nadav Amit
2018-11-28  1:21   ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-28  9:57     ` Will Deacon
2018-11-28 18:29       ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-29 14:06 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-11-29 18:49   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-29 18:49     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2018-11-29 23:19     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-11-29 23:19       ` Masami Hiramatsu

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