From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Zijlstra Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] tools/memory-model: Remove (dep ; rfi) from ppo Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20190226150450.GW32477@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20190222130014.GY32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190225175517.GK4072@linux.ibm.com> <20190226093009.GS32477@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226104551.GF32534@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226112133.GG32534@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226112521.GH32534@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226113008.GI32534@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226113813.GA14753@zn.tnic> <20190226134906.GG32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190226142845.GK4072@linux.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190226142845.GK4072@linux.ibm.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: Borislav Petkov , Andrea Parri , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Alan Stern , Will Deacon , Boqun Feng , Nicholas Piggin , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , Akira Yokosawa , Daniel Lustig List-Id: linux-arch.vger.kernel.org On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:28:45AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > Yes, this all is a bit on the insane side from a kernel viewpoint. > But the paper you found does not impose this; it has instead been there > for about 20 years, back before C and C++ admitted to the existence > of concurrency. But of course compilers are getting more aggressive, > and yes, some of the problems show up in single-threaded code. But that paper is from last year!! It has Peter Sewell on, I'm sure he's heard of concurrency. > The usual response is "then cast the pointers to intptr_t!" but of > course that breaks type checking. I tried laundering the pointer through intptr_t, but I can't seem to unbreak it. root@ivb-ep:~/tmp# gcc-8 -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -o ptr ptr.c ; ./ptr p=0x55aacdc80034 q=0x55aacdc80034 x=1 y=2 *p=11 *q=2 root@ivb-ep:~/tmp# cat ptr.c #include #include #include int y = 2, x = 1; int main (int argc, char **argv) { intptr_t P = (intptr_t)&x; intptr_t Q = (intptr_t)&y; P += sizeof(int); int *q = &y; printf("p=%p q=%p\n", (int*)P, (int*)Q); if (P == Q) { int *p = (int *)P; *p = 11; printf("x=%d y=%d *p=%d *q=%d\n", x, y, *p, *q); } }