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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, LKP <lkp@01.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 06:48:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190606134856.GL28207@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190606133824.aibysezb5qdo3x27@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 09:38:24PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 03:58:17AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > I cannot immediately think of a way that the compiler could get this
> > wrong even in theory, but similar code sequences can be messed up.
> > The reason for this is that in theory, the compiler could use the
> > stored-to location as temporary storage, like this:
> > 
> > 	a = whatever;	// Compiler uses "a" as a temporary
> > 	do_something();
> > 	whatever = a;
> > 	a = 1;		// Intended store
> 
> Well if the compiler is going to do this then surely it would
> continue to do this even if you used WRITE_ONCE.  Remember a is
> not volatile, only the access of a through WRITE_ONCE is volatile.

I disagree.  Given a volatile store, the compiler cannot assume that the
stored-to location is normal memory at that point in time, and therefore
cannot assume that it is safe to invent a store to that location (as
shown above).  Thus far, the C++ standards committee seems on-board with
this, though time will tell.

http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2019/p1382r1.pdf

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-06 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  0:57 [rcu] kernel BUG at include/linux/pagemap.h:149! Fengguang Wu
2015-09-10  0:57 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-09-10 10:25 ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-10 17:16   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-10 17:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-11  2:19     ` Boqun Feng
     [not found]       ` <CAJzB8QG=1iZW3dQEie6ZSTLv8GZ3YSut0aL1VU7LLmiHQ1B1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-09-11 21:59         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-11 21:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-12  5:46           ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 19:30       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-09-21 19:30         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-09-21 20:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-21 20:43           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-02  5:56           ` rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier Herbert Xu
2019-06-02  5:56             ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-02 20:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-02 20:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03  2:46               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  2:46                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  3:47                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  4:01                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  4:01                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  4:17                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  4:17                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  7:23                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  8:42                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 15:26                         ` David Laight
2019-06-03 15:40                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 15:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03  5:26                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  5:26                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  6:42                     ` Boqun Feng
2019-06-03  6:42                       ` Boqun Feng
2019-06-03 20:03                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-04 14:44                         ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 14:44                           ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 16:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 16:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 17:00                             ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 17:00                               ` Alan Stern
2019-06-04 17:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 17:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-07 14:09                             ` inet: frags: Turn fqdir->dead into an int for old Alphas Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 14:09                               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 15:26                               ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 15:26                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 15:32                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 15:32                                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-07 16:13                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 16:13                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2019-06-07 16:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-07 16:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 15:27                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 17:42                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 17:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 17:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 17:50                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-08 18:50                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 18:14                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  4:51                           ` rcu_read_lock lost its compiler barrier Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  4:51                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  6:05                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  6:14                               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  6:14                                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  9:06                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  9:28                                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  9:28                                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06 10:58                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06 13:38                                       ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06 13:38                                         ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06 13:48                                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-06-06  8:16                           ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-06 14:19                             ` Alan Stern
2019-06-06 14:19                               ` Alan Stern
2019-06-08 15:19                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-08 15:56                                 ` Alan Stern
2019-06-08 15:56                                   ` Alan Stern
2019-06-08 16:31                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  9:35                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  8:38                 ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-06  9:32                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  9:32                     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  0:06             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03  3:03               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  3:03                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-03  9:27                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 15:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 15:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 16:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 16:07                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 19:53                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-03 20:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-03 20:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 21:14                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-05  2:21                           ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-05  2:21                             ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-05  3:30                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-06-06  4:37                               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-06  4:37                                 ` Herbert Xu

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