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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	clemens@ladisch.de, Sultan Alsawaf <sultan@kerneltoast.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: infinite loop in read_hpet from ktime_get_boot_fast_ns
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:27:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190612152730.GI3402@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9oWhWi=Gp2RpM0AOO+_1_24znUxDkz6CyJTc2qRgRRivw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 02:58:21PM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Thanks for the explanation.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 2:29 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > Either local_clock() or cpu_clock(cpu). The sleep hooks are not
> > something the consumer has to worry about.
> 
> Alright. Just so long as it *is* tracking sleep, then that's fine. If
> it isn't some important aspects of the protocol will be violated.

The scheduler also cares about how long a task has been sleeping, so
yes, that's automagic.

> > If an architecture doesn't provide a sched_clock(), you're on a
> > seriously handicapped arch. It wraps in ~500 days, and aside from
> > changing jiffies_lock to a latch, I don't think we can do much about it.
> 
> Are you sure? The base definition I'm looking at uses jiffies:
> 
> unsigned long long __weak sched_clock(void)
> {
>         return (unsigned long long)(jiffies - INITIAL_JIFFIES)
>                                         * (NSEC_PER_SEC / HZ);
> }
> 
> On a CONFIG_HZ_1000 machine, jiffies wraps in ~49.7 days:
> >>> ((1<<32)-1)/1000/(60*60*24)
> 49.710269618055555

Bah, I must've done the math wrong (or assumed HZ=100).

> Why not just use get_jiffies_64()? The lock is too costly on 32bit?

Deadlocks when you do get_jiffies_64() from within an update. What would
be an easier update is forcing everyone to use the GENERIC_SCHED_CLOCK
fallback or something like that.

OTOH, changing jiffies_lock to a latch shouldn't be rocket science
either.

> > (the scheduler too expects sched_clock() to not wrap short of the u64
> > and so having those machines online for 500 days will get you 'funny'
> > results)
> 
> Ahh. So if, on the other hand, the whole machine explodes at the wrap
> mark, I guess my silly protocol is the least of concerns, and so this
> shouldn't matter?

That was my thinking...

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-12 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-07 14:14 infinite loop in read_hpet from ktime_get_boot_fast_ns Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-11 21:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-11 21:40   ` Waiman Long
2019-06-12  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-12  9:44     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-12 12:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-12 12:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-12 12:58         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-12 15:27           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-06-12 19:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 17:34         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-12 14:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-13 15:18         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-13 15:40           ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-13 16:17             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-13 16:26               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-13 16:34                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-13 16:41                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-13 19:53                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14  9:14                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-14  9:44                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14  9:56                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-14  9:48                       ` [PATCH] timekeeping: add get_jiffies_boot_64() for jiffies including sleep Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-06-14  9:55                     ` [tip:timers/urgent] timekeeping: Repair ktime_get_coarse*() granularity tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-14 11:18                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-12  9:29   ` infinite loop in read_hpet from ktime_get_boot_fast_ns Peter Zijlstra

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