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From: Conghui Chen <conghui.chen@intel.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, shuo.a.liu@intel.com,
	yu1.wang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC] Add polling mode feature bit
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 03:17:42 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190625191742.GA22520@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b2e0488-38c0-3aba-a23b-567fc895fb85@redhat.com>

On Tue 25.Jun'19 at  9:32:13 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>On 25/06/19 17:15, Conghui Chen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are working on enable VIRTIO on RTVMs. For RT requirements and some
>> security reasons, the VIRTIO interrupts are not allowed to inject to
>> guest OS, and the notify flow may bring some uncertain delay, so the
>> polling mode for VIRTIO device is taken into consideration. And in some
>> open source projects, like DPDK and OVMF, the polling mode is
>> implemented on device level, but if a system need all the VIRTIO devices
>> work on polling mode, then we should support it for each VIRTIO device
>> type. That will take lots of effort and may not able to upstream, such
>> as in RT-Linux. So, we wonder that, if we could support polling mode on
>> VIRTIO framework level?
>>
>> We have a proposal:
>> Add a new feature bit: VIRTIO_F_PMD(39)
>> This feature indicates that the driver should work in polling mode, and
>> the device will not inject interrupt to Guest OS.
>
>How would it work?  Is this a feature that, if acknowledged by the
>driver, causes the device to disable all interrupts?  It's quite
>possible that there are drivers in the wild that blindly accept all
>features proposed by the device, and which would break with such a feature.
>
Hi Paolo,

I'm not sure if my understand is correct.
The case you mentioned, the FE driver accept all feature bits without
checking. I felt that it is incorrect behavior... As there is
description in VIRTIO spec that driver MUST read device feature bits,
and write the subset of feature bits understood by the OS and driver to
the device. BE export new feature bits shouldn't depend on any FE driver
changes, otherwise the new features will cause unexpected behaviors.
Such as the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1, if the FE driver not support
it but accept it, the driver will also break with this feature.

Blindly accept all features will cause any future new BE export features
can not depend on any FE driver changes, otherwise the new features will
cause unexpected behaviors.
Such as the feature bit VIRTIO_F_VERSION_1, if the FE driver not support
it but accept it, the driver will also break with this feature.

Regards,
Conghui.

>Paolo

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-25 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-25 15:15 [virtio-dev] [RFC] Add polling mode feature bit Conghui Chen
2019-06-25  7:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-06-25 19:17   ` Conghui Chen [this message]
2019-06-25 11:27     ` Paolo Bonzini

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