From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
mingo@kernel.org, jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
oleg@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 14/14] rcu/nohz: Make multi_cpu_stop() enable tick on all online CPUs
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 07:47:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190805144755.GH28441@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190805080736.GI2349@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 10:07:36AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 09:19:01PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 01:24:46PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> > > For whatever it is worth, the things on my list include using 25 rounds
> > > of resched_cpu() on each CPU with ten-jiffy wait between each (instead of
> > > merely 10 rounds), using waitqueues or some such to actually force a
> > > meaningful context switch on the other CPUs, etc.
>
> That really should not be needed. What are those other CPUs doing?
Excellent question. It would be really nice to have a CPU-stopper stall
warning, wouldn't it? But who knows? Maybe I am the only one to have
run into this. However, the comment in multi_cpu_stop() just before
the call to touch_nmi_watchdog() leads me to believe otherwise. ;-)
> > Which appears to have reduced the bug rate by about a factor of two.
> > (But statistics and all that.)
>
> Which is just weird..
Indeed. Your point being?
> > I am now trying the same test, but with CONFIG_PREEMPT=y and without
> > quite so much hammering on the scheduler. This is keying off Peter's
> > earlier mention of preemption. If this turns out to be solid, perhaps
> > we outlaw CONFIG_PREEMPT=n && CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL=y?
>
> CONFIG_PREEMPT=n should work just fine, _something_ is off.
Thank you, that is what I needed to know.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-05 14:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-02 15:14 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/14] No-CBs bypass addition for v5.4 Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 01/14] rcu/nocb: Atomic ->len field in rcu_segcblist structure Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-04 14:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-04 14:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-04 18:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-04 18:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 02/14] rcu/nocb: Add bypass callback queueing Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-07 0:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-07 0:16 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-07 0:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-07 0:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-07 1:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-07 1:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-07 3:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 03/14] rcu/nocb: EXP Check use and usefulness of ->nocb_lock_contended Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 04/14] rcu/nocb: Print no-CBs diagnostics when rcutorture writer unduly delayed Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 05/14] rcu/nocb: Avoid synchronous wakeup in __call_rcu_nocb_wake() Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 06/14] rcu/nocb: Advance CBs after merge in rcutree_migrate_callbacks() Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 07/14] rcu/nocb: Reduce nocb_cb_wait() leaf rcu_node ->lock contention Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 08/14] rcu/nocb: Reduce __call_rcu_nocb_wake() " Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 09/14] rcu/nocb: Don't wake no-CBs GP kthread if timer posted under overload Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 10/14] rcu: Allow rcu_do_batch() to dynamically adjust batch sizes Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 11/14] EXP nohz: Add TICK_DEP_BIT_RCU Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 12/14] rcu/nohz: Force on tick when invoking lots of callbacks Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:15 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 13/14] rcutorture: Force on tick for readers and callback flooders Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-02 15:15 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 14/14] rcu/nohz: Make multi_cpu_stop() enable tick on all online CPUs Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-04 14:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-04 14:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-04 18:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-04 20:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-05 4:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-05 8:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-05 14:47 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-08-05 8:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-05 14:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-05 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-05 17:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-06 18:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-07 21:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-08 20:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-08 21:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-09 16:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-09 18:07 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-09 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-12 21:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-12 23:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-13 1:33 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-13 12:30 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-13 14:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-14 17:55 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-14 22:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-15 15:07 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-15 17:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-15 18:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-15 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-15 19:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-13 21:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
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