From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] mm: directed shrinker work deferral
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:22:20 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190806222220.GL7777@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190806122754.GA2979@bfoster>
On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 08:27:54AM -0400, Brian Foster wrote:
> If you add a generic "defer work" knob to the shrinker mechanism, but
> only process it as an "allocation context" check, I expect it could be
> easily misused. For example, some shrinkers may decide to set the the
> flag dynamically based on in-core state.
Which is already the case. e.g. There are shrinkers that don't do
anything because a try-lock fails. I haven't attempted to change
them, but they are a clear example of how even ->scan_object to
->scan_object the shrinker context can change.
> This will work when called from
> some contexts but not from others (unrelated to allocation context),
> which is confusing. Therefore, what I'm saying is that if the only
> current use case is to defer work from shrinkers that currently skip
> work due to allocation context restraints, this might be better codified
> with something like the appended (untested) example patch. This may or
> may not be a preferable interface to the flag, but it's certainly not an
> overcomplication...
I don't think this is the right way to go.
I want the filesystem shrinkers to become entirely non-blocking so
that we can dynamically decide on an object-by-object basis whether
we can reclaim the object in GFP_NOFS context.
That is, a clean XFS inode that requires no special cleanup can be
reclaimed even in GFP_NOFS context. The problem we have is that
dentry reclaim can drop the last reference to an inode, causing
inactivation and hence modification. However, if it's only going to
move to the inode LRU and not evict the inode, we can reclaim that
dentry. Similarly for inodes - if evicting the inode is not going to
block or modify the inode, we can reclaim the inode even under
GFP_NOFS constraints. And the same for XFS indoes - it if's clean
we can reclaim it, GFP_NOFS context or not.
IMO, that's the direction we need to be heading in, and in those
cases the "deferred work" tends towards a count of objects we could
not reclaim during the scan because they require blocking work to be
done. i.e. deferred work is a boolean now because the GFP_NOFS
decision is boolean, but it's lays the ground work for deferred work
to be integrated at a much finer-grained level in the shrinker
scanning routines in future...
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-06 22:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-01 2:17 [RFC] [PATCH 00/24] mm, xfs: non-blocking inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 01/24] mm: directed shrinker work deferral Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 15:27 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-04 1:49 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-05 17:42 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-05 23:43 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 12:27 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-06 22:22 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-08-07 11:13 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 02/24] shrinkers: use will_defer for GFP_NOFS sensitive shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 15:27 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-04 1:50 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 03/24] mm: factor shrinker work calculations Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 15:08 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-08-04 2:05 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 15:31 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 04/24] shrinker: defer work only to kswapd Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 15:34 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-04 16:48 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-08-04 21:37 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-07 16:12 ` kbuild test robot
2019-08-07 18:00 ` kbuild test robot
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 05/24] shrinker: clean up variable types and tracepoints Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 06/24] mm: reclaim_state records pages reclaimed, not slabs Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 07/24] mm: back off direct reclaim on excessive shrinker deferral Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 08/24] mm: kswapd backoff for shrinkers Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 09/24] xfs: don't allow log IO to be throttled Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 13:39 ` Chris Mason
2019-08-01 23:58 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-02 8:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-02 14:11 ` Chris Mason
2019-08-02 18:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-08-02 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-05 18:32 ` Chris Mason
2019-08-05 23:09 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 10/24] xfs: fix missed wakeup on l_flush_wait Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 11/24] xfs:: account for memory freed from metadata buffers Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 8:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-01 9:21 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 5:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 12/24] xfs: correctly acount for reclaimable slabs Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 5:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-06 21:05 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 13/24] xfs: synchronous AIL pushing Dave Chinner
2019-08-05 17:51 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-05 23:21 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 12:29 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 14/24] xfs: tail updates only need to occur when LSN changes Dave Chinner
2019-08-05 17:53 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-05 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 5:33 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 12:53 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-06 21:11 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 15/24] xfs: eagerly free shadow buffers to reduce CIL footprint Dave Chinner
2019-08-05 18:03 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-05 23:33 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 12:57 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-06 21:21 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 16/24] xfs: Lower CIL flush limit for large logs Dave Chinner
2019-08-04 17:12 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 17/24] xfs: don't block kswapd in inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 18:21 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-06 21:27 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-07 11:14 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 18/24] xfs: reduce kswapd blocking on inode locking Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 18:22 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-06 21:33 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-07 11:30 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-07 23:16 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 19/24] xfs: kill background reclaim work Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 20/24] xfs: use AIL pushing for inode reclaim IO Dave Chinner
2019-08-07 18:09 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-07 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-08 16:20 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 21/24] xfs: remove mode from xfs_reclaim_inodes() Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 22/24] xfs: track reclaimable inodes using a LRU list Dave Chinner
2019-08-08 16:36 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-09 0:10 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 23/24] xfs: reclaim inodes from the LRU Dave Chinner
2019-08-08 16:39 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-09 1:20 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-09 12:36 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-11 2:17 ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-11 12:46 ` Brian Foster
2019-08-01 2:17 ` [PATCH 24/24] xfs: remove unusued old inode reclaim code Dave Chinner
2019-08-06 5:57 ` [RFC] [PATCH 00/24] mm, xfs: non-blocking inode reclaim Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-06 21:37 ` Dave Chinner
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