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From: Johannes Erdfelt <johannes@erdfelt.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Mihai Carabas <mihai.carabas@oracle.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Jon Grimm <Jon.Grimm@amd.com>,
	kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com, konrad.wilk@oracle.com,
	patrick.colp@oracle.com, Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	x86-ml <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/microcode: Add an option to reload microcode even if revision is unchanged
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 07:40:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190906144039.GA29569@sventech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1909061431330.1902@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Fri, Sep 06, 2019, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> What your customers are asking for is a receipe for disaster. They can
> check the safety of late loading forever, it will not magically become safe
> because they do so.
> 
> If you want late loading, then the whole approach needs to be reworked from
> ground up. You need to make sure that all CPUs are in a safe state,
> i.e. where switching of CPU feature bits of all sorts can be done with the
> guarantee that no CPU will return to the wrong code path after coming out
> of safe state and that any kernel internal state which depends on the
> previous set of CPU feature bits has been mopped up and switched over
> before CPUs are released.

You say that switching of CPU feature bits is problematic, but adding
new features should result only in a warning ("x86/CPU: CPU features
have changed after loading microcode, but might not take effect.").

Removing a CPU feature bit could be problematic. Other than HLE being
removed on Haswell (which the kernel shouldn't use anyway), have there
been any other cases?

I ask because we have successfully used late microcode loading on tens
of thousands of hosts. I'm a bit worried to see that there is a push to
remove a feature that we currently rely on.

JE


  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-06 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-29  5:33 [PATCH] x86/microcode: Add an option to reload microcode even if revision is unchanged Ashok Raj
2019-08-29  5:38 ` Raj, Ashok
2019-08-29  6:09 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-08-29 13:02   ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-03 16:46     ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-04 22:06       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2019-09-04 22:12         ` Boris Petkov
2019-09-05  0:21           ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-05  7:20             ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-05 10:51               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-05 19:40               ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-05 19:49                 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-05 20:20                   ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-05 21:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-05 22:27                   ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-06  7:46                     ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-06 12:51                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-06 14:40                       ` Johannes Erdfelt [this message]
2019-09-06 15:16                         ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-06 15:46                           ` Johannes Erdfelt
2019-09-06 16:17                             ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-06 16:43                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-09-06 17:10                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-06 16:52                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2019-09-06 17:17                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-06 21:16                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-07  0:33                           ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-07 10:37                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-16 10:36                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-17  0:31                                 ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-17  6:37                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-17  6:46                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2019-09-17 14:29                                     ` Raj, Ashok
2019-09-19 19:48                           ` Mihai Carabas
2019-09-06 16:55                       ` Raj, Ashok

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