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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lokesh Gidra <lokeshgidra@google.com>,
	Nick Kralevich <nnk@google.com>, Nosh Minwalla <nosh@google.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <ovzxemul@gmail.com>,
	Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] userfaultfd: require CAP_SYS_PTRACE for UFFD_FEATURE_EVENT_FORK
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:33:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191105163316.GI30717@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKOZuetu0QWUDAycTOFzC4HEbjH99EtOhb4gJnHAuovT_StpzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:06:49AM -0800, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> Sure, but the same argument applies to all the other permission checks
> that we do at open time, not at ioctl time. For better or for worse,
> the DAC-ish model used in most places is that access checks happen at
> file object creation time and anyone who has the FD can perform those
> operations later. Confusing the model by doing *some* permission
> checks at open time and *some* permission checks at usage time makes
> the system harder to understand.

The only case that requires change is if userland requested the
UFFD_FEATURE_EVENT_FORK feature (which AFIK only CRIU does) and that
request is done in the UFFDIO_API call not during the syscall.

Doing the check in the syscall would then break all non privileged
users like if we'd set /proc/sys/vm/unprivileged_userfaultfd to
zero. Qemu for example rightfully never runs with privilege (with a
few exceptions like Kata which should be fixed in fact) and it never
asks for the UFFD_FEATURE_EVENT_FORK feature either.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-05 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-05 15:29 [PATCH 0/1] userfaultfd: require CAP_SYS_PTRACE for UFFD_FEATURE_EVENT_FORK Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 15:29 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Mike Rapoport
2019-11-05 15:37   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 15:55   ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-05 16:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-05 16:06       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-05 16:33         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2019-11-05 16:39           ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-05 16:55             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 17:02               ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-05 17:30                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 22:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-05 22:10                   ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-05 16:24       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-05 16:41         ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-07  8:39           ` Mike Rapoport
2019-11-07  8:54             ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-07 15:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-07 16:15                 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-07 18:22                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-07 18:50                     ` Daniel Colascione
2019-11-07 19:27                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-11-10 17:02                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-05 15:59   ` Aleksa Sarai

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