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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: paulmck@kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com,
	mingo@kernel.org, jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/4] srcu: Fix __call_srcu()/process_srcu() datarace
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:46:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200217174658.GC112239@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200217171104.GV14914@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 06:11:04PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01:57PM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> > Peter it sounds like you have a failure scenario in mind. Could you describe
> > more if so?
> > 
> > I am curious if you were thinking of invented-stores issue here.
> > 
> > For educational purposes, I was trying to come up with an example where my
> > compiler does something bad to code without WRITE_ONCE(). So far I only can
> > reproduce a write-tearing example when write with an immediate value is split
> > into 2 writes, like Will mentioned:
> > http://lore.kernel.org/r/20190821103200.kpufwtviqhpbuv2n@willie-the-truck
> > But that does not seem to apply to this code.
> 
> > > > -			snp->srcu_gp_seq_needed_exp = gpseq;
> > > > +			WRITE_ONCE(snp->srcu_gp_seq_needed_exp, gpseq);
> 
> Yeah, store tearing. No sane compiler will actually do that, but it is
> allowed to do random permutations of byte stores just to fuck with us.
> 
> WRITE_ONCE() disallows that.
> 
> In that case, the READ_ONCE()s could observe garbage and the compare
> might accidentally report the wrong thing.

Oh ok, I understand what you mean now. Thank you for clarification!

thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-17 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-15  0:29 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/4] SRCU updates for v5.7 Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-15  0:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/4] srcu: Fix __call_srcu()/process_srcu() datarace paulmck
2020-02-17 12:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-17 17:01     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-02-17 17:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-17 17:46         ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-02-17 18:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-15  0:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/4] srcu: Fix __call_srcu()/srcu_get_delay() datarace paulmck
2020-02-15  0:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/4] srcu: Fix process_srcu()/srcu_batches_completed() datarace paulmck
2020-02-15  0:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/4] srcu: Add READ_ONCE() to srcu_struct ->srcu_gp_seq load paulmck
2020-02-17 12:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-17 18:32     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-17 23:06       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-18 11:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-18 21:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-18 11:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-18 16:34         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-02-18 20:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-18 21:38             ` Paul E. McKenney

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