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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
Cc: David Ahern <dahern@digitalocean.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org,
	prashantbhole.linux@gmail.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	mst@redhat.com, toshiaki.makita1@gmail.com, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, ast@kernel.org, kafai@fb.com,
	songliubraving@fb.com, yhs@fb.com, andriin@fb.com,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 03/11] xdp: Add xdp_txq_info to xdp_buff
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 11:41:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200228114155.648f897e@carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8tjuisk.fsf@toke.dk>

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 11:07:23 +0100
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com> wrote:

> David Ahern <dahern@digitalocean.com> writes:
> 
> > On 2/27/20 1:00 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:  
> >>> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> >>> index 7850f8683b81..5e3f8aefad41 100644
> >>> --- a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> >>> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> >>> @@ -3334,8 +3334,10 @@ struct xdp_md {
> >>>  	__u32 data;
> >>>  	__u32 data_end;
> >>>  	__u32 data_meta;
> >>> -	/* Below access go through struct xdp_rxq_info */
> >>> -	__u32 ingress_ifindex; /* rxq->dev->ifindex */
> >>> +	union {
> >>> +		__u32 ingress_ifindex; /* rxq->dev->ifindex */
> >>> +		__u32 egress_ifindex;  /* txq->dev->ifindex */
> >>> +	};  
> >> 
> >> Are we sure it is wise to "union share" (struct) xdp_md as the
> >> XDP-context in the XDP programs, with different expected_attach_type?
> >> As this allows the XDP-programmer to code an EGRESS program that access
> >> ctx->ingress_ifindex, this will under the hood be translated to
> >> ctx->egress_ifindex, because from the compilers-PoV this will just be an
> >> offset.
> >> 
> >> We are setting up the XDP-programmer for a long debugging session, as
> >> she will be expecting to read 'ingress_ifindex', but will be getting
> >> 'egress_ifindex'.  (As the compiler cannot warn her, and it is also
> >> correct seen from the verifier).  
> >
> > It both cases it means the device handling the packet. ingress_ifindex
> > == device handling the Rx, egress_ifindex == device handling the Tx.
> > Really, it is syntactic sugar for program writers. It would have been
> > better had xdp_md only called it ifindex from the beginning.  
> 
> Telling users that they are doing it wrong is not going to make their
> debugging session any less frustrating :)
> 
> If we keep rx_ifindex a separate field we can unambiguously reject a TX
> program that tries to access it, *and* we keep the option of allowing
> access to it later if it does turn out to be useful. IMO that is worth
> the four extra bytes.

I agree. We need unambiguously to help the program writer.

This is the wrong kind of 'syntactic sugar'.  If you want a straight
'ifindex', that translates to the running_ifindex, when you need to add
a new member 'ifindex' that does this rewriting based on attach type.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer


  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-28 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-27  3:20 [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 00/11] Add support for XDP in egress path David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 01/11] net: Add XDP setup and query commands for Tx programs David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 02/11] net: Add BPF_XDP_EGRESS as a bpf_attach_type David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 03/11] xdp: Add xdp_txq_info to xdp_buff David Ahern
2020-02-27  8:00   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-02-27 11:58     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-28  3:01       ` David Ahern
2020-02-28 10:10         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-27 20:44     ` David Ahern
2020-02-28 10:07       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-28 10:41         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 04/11] net: Add IFLA_XDP_EGRESS for XDP programs in the egress path David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 05/11] net: core: rename netif_receive_generic_xdp to do_generic_xdp_core David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 06/11] net: core: Rename do_xdp_generic to do_xdp_generic_rx and export David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 07/11] tun: set egress XDP program David Ahern
2020-03-02  3:32   ` Jason Wang
2020-03-02  3:52     ` David Ahern
2020-03-10  2:18     ` David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 08/11] tun: Support xdp in the Tx path for skb David Ahern
2020-03-02  3:28   ` Jason Wang
2020-03-02  3:41     ` David Ahern
2020-03-03 10:46   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-03 15:36     ` David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 09/11] tun: Support xdp in the Tx path for xdp_frames David Ahern
2020-03-02 18:30   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-03  4:27     ` David Ahern
2020-03-03  9:08       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-03 18:16       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-03 10:40   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-10  3:06     ` David Ahern
2020-03-10  3:44       ` David Ahern
2020-03-10  9:03         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 10/11] libbpf: Add egress XDP support David Ahern
2020-02-27  3:20 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 11/11] samples/bpf: xdp1, add " David Ahern
2020-02-27 11:55 ` [PATCH RFC v4 bpf-next 00/11] Add support for XDP in egress path Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-27 16:22   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-02-27 17:06     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-27 18:37       ` Alexei Starovoitov

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