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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Cc: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>,
	Jethro Beekman <jethro@fortanix.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org" <linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org>,
	"serge.ayoun@intel.com" <serge.ayoun@intel.com>,
	"shay.katz-zamir@intel.com" <shay.katz-zamir@intel.com>
Subject: Re: x86/sgx: v23-rc2
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:34:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200306183452.GB7472@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200305195157.GO11500@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:51:57AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 03:00:31PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 07:19:13PM -0600, Dr. Greg wrote:
> > > > > This would seem to imply that the driver is rather firmly architected
> > > > > on the notion of one open() per enclave, a concept that Jethro seems
> > > > > to have issues with.
> > > 
> > > > I don't understand what concept you are talking about.
> > > 
> > > If memory serves me correctly, Jethro envisioned a model where a
> > > single open of the SGX driver node would return a file descriptor that
> > > could then be used to create/load/initialize multiple enclaves.  Your
> > > clarifications indicate that a separate open will be needed for each
> > > and every enclave instance that will be orchestrated.
> > > 
> > > Jethro, if I'm mistating your position on this, please jump in and
> > > clarify.
> > 
> > Ah.
> > 
> > You are speaking about having a factory to create enclaves and a
> > management interface. I.e. you'd have ioctl to create enclave that gives
> > you a file descriptor to access its management interface.
> > 
> > Out of top of my head I cannot recall why this was not favored in the
> > end but generally speaking added complexity should be justified by some
> > considerably strong measures.
> 
> The primary issue is that having an ioctl() to create enclaves means the
> enclave fd would be an anon inode.  From a security (well, SELinux)
> perspective, anon inodes are problematic for two reasons:
> 
>   - Anon inodes are exempt from SELinux ioctl() whitelisting.  This
>     probably isn't a huge deal?
> 
>   - Mapping an anon inode with PROT_EXEC requires SELinux's EXECMEM, i.e.
>     all enclave runtimes would require EXECMEM, which is a big step
>     backwards in terms of security and drew the ire of Linus[1].
> 
> That being said, there is a proposed patch set to add support for "secure"
> anon inodes[2], which I believe would eliminate all of the above problems.
> Of course we'd be stuck with the current anon inode behavior until that
> patch set lands (I'm feeling optomistic today ;-) ).
> 
> [1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/CAHk-=wjmT=uC1=18ZYV1CMfP_FBUEjh9_rabH0g+a0z-L0cgHg@mail.gmail.com
> [2] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20200214032635.75434-1-dancol@google.com

Still does not address what I said in my response: what are the
strong enough measures to use anon inode in the first place even
if there is a "secure" version.

/Jarkko

      parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-06 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-10 11:37 x86/sgx: v23-rc2 Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-10 13:37 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-10 17:09   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-10 17:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-11 16:37 ` Jethro Beekman
2019-10-11 18:15   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-14  8:43     ` Jethro Beekman
2019-10-17 17:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-02-13 14:10         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-02-15  7:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-17  8:52             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-02-17 18:55               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-17 18:56                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-18 10:42                 ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
2020-02-18 15:00                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-22  3:16                     ` Dr. Greg
2020-02-22  5:41                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-03-01 10:42                         ` Dr. Greg
2020-02-23 17:13                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-18 15:52                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-19 16:26                     ` Dr. Greg
2020-02-20 19:57                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-02-21  1:19                         ` Dr. Greg
2020-02-21 13:00                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 19:51                             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-05 20:34                               ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-05 21:00                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 18:34                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]

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