From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E53AC10DCE for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fraxinus.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1E4E20724 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="q5cRqMyl" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org F1E4E20724 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fraxinus.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7118708A; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from fraxinus.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QLYe34ta8IqX; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.linuxfoundation.org (lf-lists.osuosl.org [140.211.9.56]) by fraxinus.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98D686FC5; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lf-lists.osuosl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CD0C1D89; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hemlock.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D908C0177; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hemlock.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273EF89452; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from hemlock.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IsHAbAwEThvs; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by hemlock.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EE8F89447; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (c-73-47-72-35.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [73.47.72.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20BD520724; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1584104737; bh=g5w22YsBnXA3tJ7GiCEWMSp8fKyae5t0PtEULq1PwZ0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=q5cRqMylfvpZ5+ItbTy3OywUOyRXwOExSRxjFEEoZ0CtNoYt/T+COEom+ufdqH5SZ FzY0uGG2cGJCh/L8yvBNUZpO8syfbHI4gqB+r+md/k67HBzmKyqS7HUeOuWgNqrvpq OUudYWRnt4bCaFXRtXlb+xx1h7YYC+CI3UyFjnaQ= Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:05:36 -0400 From: Sasha Levin To: Jani Nikula Message-ID: <20200313130536.GD1349@sasha-vm> References: <6d6dd6fa-880f-01fe-6177-281572aed703@labbott.name> <20200312003436.GF1639@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20200313031947.GC225435@mit.edu> <87d09gljhj.fsf@intel.com> <20200313093548.GA2089143@kroah.com> <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: "Bird, Tim" , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections -- Change to charter X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:30:20PM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote: >On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Greg KH wrote: >There is no way of knowing whether you're eligible to vote until you >apply for a kernel.org account and either get approved or rejected. > >The current "obvious" requirement levels are not obvious to me. How many >contributions is enough? Is everyone in MAINTAINERS eligible, or do you >have to be a high-profile maintainer/developer? What is a high-profile >developer? How many people in the web of trust must you have met in >person? Personally, I think that our definition of who can vote should be "any member of our community", but it's not practical, right? This process will take years, and each year I would expect us to increase the voting pool by a significant amount. Maybe we should focus too much on what restrictions are in affect in the current year, but rather on trying to learn how well these restrictions worked and which of them we can lift. -- Thanks, Sasha _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1584104737; bh=g5w22YsBnXA3tJ7GiCEWMSp8fKyae5t0PtEULq1PwZ0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=q5cRqMylfvpZ5+ItbTy3OywUOyRXwOExSRxjFEEoZ0CtNoYt/T+COEom+ufdqH5SZ FzY0uGG2cGJCh/L8yvBNUZpO8syfbHI4gqB+r+md/k67HBzmKyqS7HUeOuWgNqrvpq OUudYWRnt4bCaFXRtXlb+xx1h7YYC+CI3UyFjnaQ= Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:05:36 -0400 From: Sasha Levin Message-ID: <20200313130536.GD1349@sasha-vm> References: <6d6dd6fa-880f-01fe-6177-281572aed703@labbott.name> <20200312003436.GF1639@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20200313031947.GC225435@mit.edu> <87d09gljhj.fsf@intel.com> <20200313093548.GA2089143@kroah.com> <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections -- Change to charter List-Id: Public TAB discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Jani Nikula Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:30:20PM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote: >On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Greg KH wrote: >There is no way of knowing whether you're eligible to vote until you >apply for a kernel.org account and either get approved or rejected. > >The current "obvious" requirement levels are not obvious to me. How many >contributions is enough? Is everyone in MAINTAINERS eligible, or do you >have to be a high-profile maintainer/developer? What is a high-profile >developer? How many people in the web of trust must you have met in >person? Personally, I think that our definition of who can vote should be "any member of our community", but it's not practical, right? This process will take years, and each year I would expect us to increase the voting pool by a significant amount. Maybe we should focus too much on what restrictions are in affect in the current year, but rather on trying to learn how well these restrictions worked and which of them we can lift. -- Thanks, Sasha From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7DEC4CECE for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980CE2074A for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1584104739; bh=g5w22YsBnXA3tJ7GiCEWMSp8fKyae5t0PtEULq1PwZ0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-ID:From; b=hJxMEhJUiBn6FtSU7aq4WB3NKhtElm5vxqu0SZlnkYbDWPyDL6qZRPlAR0TRX6qMt hwKSZTJL4iLqpcJqBidWRPAd0fqPOfL0PxvRXiAEIGoHGyc355D8TIBWBsDt9Ltovo ee7s5ce5HOAArqojixuaem75YSX7dgI5IBprDxq4= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726636AbgCMNFi (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:05:38 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:39590 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726479AbgCMNFi (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:05:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-47-72-35.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [73.47.72.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20BD520724; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1584104737; bh=g5w22YsBnXA3tJ7GiCEWMSp8fKyae5t0PtEULq1PwZ0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=q5cRqMylfvpZ5+ItbTy3OywUOyRXwOExSRxjFEEoZ0CtNoYt/T+COEom+ufdqH5SZ FzY0uGG2cGJCh/L8yvBNUZpO8syfbHI4gqB+r+md/k67HBzmKyqS7HUeOuWgNqrvpq OUudYWRnt4bCaFXRtXlb+xx1h7YYC+CI3UyFjnaQ= Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:05:36 -0400 From: Sasha Levin To: Jani Nikula Cc: Greg KH , "Bird, Tim" , "tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections -- Change to charter Message-ID: <20200313130536.GD1349@sasha-vm> References: <6d6dd6fa-880f-01fe-6177-281572aed703@labbott.name> <20200312003436.GF1639@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20200313031947.GC225435@mit.edu> <87d09gljhj.fsf@intel.com> <20200313093548.GA2089143@kroah.com> <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877dzolf7n.fsf@intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:30:20PM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote: >On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, Greg KH wrote: >There is no way of knowing whether you're eligible to vote until you >apply for a kernel.org account and either get approved or rejected. > >The current "obvious" requirement levels are not obvious to me. How many >contributions is enough? Is everyone in MAINTAINERS eligible, or do you >have to be a high-profile maintainer/developer? What is a high-profile >developer? How many people in the web of trust must you have met in >person? Personally, I think that our definition of who can vote should be "any member of our community", but it's not practical, right? This process will take years, and each year I would expect us to increase the voting pool by a significant amount. Maybe we should focus too much on what restrictions are in affect in the current year, but rather on trying to learn how well these restrictions worked and which of them we can lift. -- Thanks, Sasha