From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Consensus on a new default branch name
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 20:31:18 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200616023118.GA89988@syl.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200616022239.GD164606@google.com>
Hi Jonathan,
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 07:22:39PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Hi Nomen,
>
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> > Taylor, how do you propose to build this consensus you're talking about
> > on the name change?
>
> I'm glad you're interested in learning more about the Git development
> process!
>
> There are some open source projects that function (mostly) as a
> democracy --- they build the features that those voting request. A
> famous example of this would be PHP[1]. There is something admirable
> about that approach, but it is not always easy to get right. Many
> other projects have their own approaches to governance.
>
> In Git, we make most decisions by a rough consensus of active
> contributors, as judged by the maintainer. There are times that
> consensus may go in a direction that is unworkable, and the maintainer
> has the ability to make a different decision during those times. If
> decision making ever goes off the rails (perhaps you've judged this to
> be such a moment!), users of Git have the recourse of forking the
> code; such moments have happened in some open source projects in the
> past, for the better, such as the EGCS fork of GCC that was widely
> used by distributors and eventually became the standard version of
> GCC.
>
> If you are looking to have more influence in the Git project, my
> advice would be to become a respected contributor, by providing
> patches, well thought out reviews, documentation improvements, advice
> to bug reporters, or other contributions. As others learn to trust
> your feedback, you will have more influence on consensus. Even
> better, you get the immediate benefit of your own work as soon as you
> do it.
>
> I believe Taylor was also interested in another kind of consensus,
> between hosting providers, but that would be likely to coincide with
> what the Git project does so the difference is a bit academic.
What I am broadly interested in is a consensus among the community, so
that we don't have a variety of different names for the default branch
based on where and how you use Git. Of course, by introducing a
configuration option, some variety is to be expected, but I would like
to avoid, for example, GitHub/GitLab/Bitbucket choosing a different name
from what the Git project decides on.
> [...]
> > slacktivism
>
> This is a very weird way to describe the people who are spending their
> time to maintain Git.
>
> Thanks and hope that helps,
> Jonathan
>
> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/821821/
Thanks,
Taylor
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-16 2:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-16 1:58 Consensus on a new default branch name Nomen Nescio
2020-06-16 2:22 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-16 2:31 ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2020-06-16 14:38 ` Jeff King
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2020-06-17 0:01 Anonymous Remailer (austria)
2020-06-15 20:57 Taylor Blau
2020-06-15 21:10 ` Santiago Torres Arias
2020-06-15 21:21 ` Taylor Blau
2020-06-16 14:31 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 14:52 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 16:00 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 17:11 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 17:32 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 18:54 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 22:18 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 16:10 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 16:13 ` Santiago Torres Arias
2020-06-16 16:48 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 16:14 ` Jason Pyeron
2020-06-16 16:47 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 17:44 ` Steve Litt
2020-06-16 19:00 ` Oleg
2020-06-17 18:06 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-07-01 17:31 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-07-01 21:57 ` Jeff King
2020-07-02 12:21 ` Whinis
2020-07-02 21:15 ` Philip Oakley
2020-07-02 21:59 ` Whinis
2020-07-02 22:47 ` Philip Oakley
2020-07-02 23:08 ` Whinis
2020-07-01 22:25 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-15 22:38 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-16 14:32 ` Jeff King
2020-06-17 20:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-15 23:24 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-16 0:50 ` James Ramsay
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