From: Denton Liu <liu.denton@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] CodingGuidelines: mark external declarations with "extern"
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 16:00:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201009230033.GA31120@generichostname> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqpn5rrvfg.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>
Hi Junio,
On Fri, Oct 09, 2020 at 01:33:39PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>
> > The argument for including it is less clear to me. You say below:
> >
> >> [...]By doing so, we would also prevent a
> >> mistake of not writing "extern" when we need to (i.e. decls of data
> >> items, that are not functions) when less experienced developers try
> >> to mimic how the existing surrounding declarations are written.
> >
> > but to my recollection that has not been a big problem. And it's one
> > that's usually easily caught by the compiler. A missing "extern" on a
> > variable will usually get you a multiple-definition warning at
> > link-time (if you manage to also omit the actual definition you won't
> > see that, though "make sparse" will warn that your variable ought to be
> > static).
>
> Not really, that is where the "common" extension comes in, to help
> us with it hurt others without it, unknowingly X-<.
I'm not really sure what you mean by the "common" extension.
> $ cat >a.c <<\EOF
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include "c.h"
>
> int common = 47;
>
> int main(int ac, char **av)
> {
> printf("%d\n", common + other);
> return 0;
> }
> EOF
> $ cat >b.c <<\EOF
> #include "c.h"
>
> int other = 22;
> EOF
> $ cat >c.h <<\EOF
> int common;
> int other;
> EOF
> $ gcc -Wall -o c a.c b.c; ./c
> 59
On gcc 10.2.0, it errors out successfully. Although on clang 10.0.1, it
compiles successfully and produces "69". That being said, I think extern
variables are relatively rare in our codebase and, when it happens, they
usually come as part of lists of other extern variables so a developer
who's mimicking the surrounding code would be able to copy it
successfully. Otherwise, the decl usually pops out in header files as it
is quite unusual.
> And I have a strong preference, after thinking about it, to have
> "extern" in front in the declarations. It gives another clue for
> patterns I feed to "git grep" to latch onto, and help my eyes to
> scan and tell decls and defns apart in the output. The benefit
> alone is worth the extra 7 columns in front spent, which you call
> "clutter".
To be honest, I do not have any preference between having the explicit
extern or not. I do have a strong preference, however, for having a
codebase that's consistently written. When I was doing the refactor, I
wouldn't have minded introducing extern everywhere although that wasn't
suggested as an alternative.
I agree that these are all benefits of declaring functions explicitly as
extern. However, I don't think they're worth the cost of either another
huge rewrite or an inconsistent codebase.
> > IMHO the real problem here is that C's syntax for returning a function
> > pointer is so horrendous. How about this (on top of your earlier patch
> > to drop the extern from that declaration)?
>
> In general, I like a typedef for callback function that shortens the
> decl of a function that takes such a callback, so I think
>
> > +void set_error_routine(report_fn routine);
> > +void set_warn_routine(report_fn routine);
> > +report_fn get_error_routine(void);
> > +report_fn get_warn_routine(void);
>
> these are good, but they are better with "extern" in front in a
> header file to make it clear they are declarations and not
> definitions when they appear in "git grep" output.
I agree that this looks a lot better, with or without the extern.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-09 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-08 15:27 [PATCH] clean up extern decl of functions Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 1:55 ` Denton Liu
2020-10-09 2:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 19:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 19:27 ` [RFC] CodingGuidelines: mark external declarations with "extern" Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 19:57 ` Jeff King
2020-10-09 20:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 23:00 ` Denton Liu [this message]
2020-10-09 23:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-10 0:37 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-10-15 1:36 ` Jeff King
2020-10-15 17:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-15 19:28 ` Jeff King
2020-10-15 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] usage: define a type for a reporting function Jeff King
2020-10-15 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] config.mak.dev: build with -fno-common Jeff King
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20201009230033.GA31120@generichostname \
--to=liu.denton@gmail.com \
--cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=gitster@pobox.com \
--cc=peff@peff.net \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.