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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, Michael Mueller <mimu@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] virtio-blk-ccw: tweak the default for num_queues
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:15:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201110111514.44ea55c2.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a6d17ce-ed7f-98e8-2937-f266bb4f0f5a@de.ibm.com>

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 09:47:51 +0100
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:

> On 09.11.20 19:53, Halil Pasic wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:06:16 +0100
> > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> >   
> >>> @@ -20,6 +21,11 @@ static void virtio_ccw_blk_realize(VirtioCcwDevice *ccw_dev, Error **errp)
> >>>  {
> >>>      VirtIOBlkCcw *dev = VIRTIO_BLK_CCW(ccw_dev);
> >>>      DeviceState *vdev = DEVICE(&dev->vdev);
> >>> +    VirtIOBlkConf *conf = &dev->vdev.conf;
> >>> +
> >>> +    if (conf->num_queues == VIRTIO_BLK_AUTO_NUM_QUEUES) {
> >>> +        conf->num_queues = MIN(4, current_machine->smp.cpus);
> >>> +    }    
> >>
> >> I would like to have a comment explaining the numbers here, however.
> >>
> >> virtio-pci has a pretty good explanation (use 1:1 for vqs:vcpus if
> >> possible, apply some other capping). 4 seems to be a bit arbitrary
> >> without explanation, although I'm sure you did some measurements :)  
> > 
> > Frankly, I don't have any measurements yet. For the secure case,
> > I think Mimu has assessed the impact of multiqueue, hence adding Mimu to
> > the cc list. @Mimu can you help us out.
> > 
> > Regarding the normal non-protected VMs I'm in a middle of producing some
> > measurement data. This was admittedly a bit rushed because of where we
> > are in the cycle. Sorry to disappoint you.
> > 
> > The number 4 was suggested by Christian, maybe Christian does have some
> > readily available measurement data for the normal VM case. @Christian:
> > can you help me out?  
> My point was to find a balance between performance gain and memory usage.
> As a matter of fact, virtqueue do consume memory. So 4 looked like a
> reasonable default for me for large guests as long as we do not have directed
> interrupts.

Yes, 4 does not look like a bad number, but I still don't feel really
comfortable with it without at least some data.

What about large guests with slow vs. fast storage?

> 
> Now, thinking about this again: If we want to change the default to something
> else in the future (e.g. to num vcpus) then the compat handling will get
> really complicated.

Yes, I fear that will be messy. Just picking a value later will need
compat handling, but not a really complicated one.

> 
> So we can
> - go with num queues = num cpus. But this will consume memory
> for guests with lots of CPUs.

I'm not sure that would be a good choice, as we don't have the benefits
that pci has.

> - go with the proposed logic of min(4,vcpus) and accept that future compat handling
> is harder

With a bit more data, I'd be way more comfortable. Might still be ok
for the next rc.

> - defer this change

We might end up with that, given the timing :( (not blaming anyone)



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-10 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-09 15:48 [PATCH 1/1] virtio-blk-ccw: tweak the default for num_queues Halil Pasic
2020-11-09 15:53 ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-11-09 16:06 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-09 18:53   ` Halil Pasic
2020-11-10  8:47     ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-11-10 10:15       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2020-11-10 10:40       ` Halil Pasic
2020-11-10 13:18         ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-12-15  8:26           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-15 11:33             ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-15 17:27               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-10 14:16     ` Michael Mueller
2020-11-11 12:26       ` Michael Mueller
2020-11-11 12:38         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-11 12:49           ` Michael Mueller
2020-11-12 13:31             ` Halil Pasic
2020-11-11 15:16           ` Halil Pasic

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