From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: John G Johnson <john.g.johnson@oracle.com>,
"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
mtsirkin@redhat.com, Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
quintela@redhat.com, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"Zeng, Xin" <xin.zeng@intel.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
Thanos Makatos <thanos.makatos@nutanix.com>,
Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Felipe Franciosi <felipe@nutanix.com>,
Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3] VFIO Migration
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:26:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201112162633.67a5d8a6.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201111154850.GG906488@redhat.com>
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:48:50 +0000
Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> In terms of validation I can't help but feel the whole proposal is
> really very complicated.
>
> In validating QEMU migration compatibility we merely compare the
> versioned machine type.
>
> IIUC, in this proposal, it would be more like exploding the machine
> type into all its 100's of properties and then comparing each one
> individually.
>
> I really prefer the simpler model of QEMU versioned machine types
> where compatibility is a simple string comparison, hiding the
> 100's of individual config parameters.
>
> Of course there are scenarios where this will lead a mgmt app to
> refuse a migration, when it could in fact have permitted it.
>
> eg consider pc-i440fx-4.0 and pc-i440fx-5.0 machine types,
> which only differ in the value "foo=7" and "foo=8" respectively.
>
> Now if the target only supported machine type pc-i440fx-5.0, then
> with a basic string comparison of machine type versin, we can't
> migrate from a host uing pc-i440fx-4.0
>
> If we exploded the machine type into its params, we could see that
> we can migrate from pc-i440fx-4.0 to pc-i440fx-5.0, simply by
> overriding the value of "foo".
>
> So, yes, dealing with individual params is more flexible, but it
> comes at an enourmous cost in complexity to process all the
> parameters. I'm not convinced this is a good tradeoff.
For mdev devices, we could have something similar to versioned machine
types by introducing versioned mdev types. (Which would fit well with
mdev types having to match strictly for migration to be possible.)
For other use cases, we would need to introduce a new construct.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-12 15:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-10 9:53 [RFC v3] VFIO Migration Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-10 11:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-11 14:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 15:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-11-12 15:26 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2020-11-16 10:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-16 11:15 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-16 11:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-11-16 12:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-16 12:05 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-11-16 12:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-16 12:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-11-16 12:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-16 12:48 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-11-16 12:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-16 12:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-10 20:14 ` Alex Williamson
2020-11-11 11:48 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-11 15:14 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 15:35 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-16 11:02 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-16 13:52 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-16 17:30 ` Alex Williamson
2020-11-24 17:24 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-11-11 15:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 15:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-16 11:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 11:19 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-11-11 15:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 12:56 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-11-11 15:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 15:41 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-11-16 14:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-17 9:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-01 13:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-11 16:18 ` Thanos Makatos
2020-11-16 15:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-24 17:29 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
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