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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	cohuck@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, liranl@nvidia.com, oren@nvidia.com,
	tzahio@nvidia.com, leonro@nvidia.com, yarong@nvidia.com,
	aviadye@nvidia.com, shahafs@nvidia.com, artemp@nvidia.com,
	kwankhede@nvidia.com, ACurrid@nvidia.com, cjia@nvidia.com,
	yishaih@nvidia.com, mjrosato@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] vfio/pci: export nvlink2 support into vendor vfio_pci drivers
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:28:48 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210319162848.GZ2356281@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210319162033.GA18218@lst.de>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 05:20:33PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 01:17:22PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > I think we talked about this.. We still need a better way to control
> > binding of VFIO modules - now that we have device-specific modules we
> > must have these match tables to control what devices they connect
> > to.
> > 
> > Previously things used the binding of vfio_pci as the "switch" and
> > hardcoded all the matches inside it.
> > 
> > I'm still keen to try the "driver flavour" idea I outlined earlier,
> > but it is hard to say what will resonate with Greg.
> 
> IMHO the only model that really works and makes sense is to turn the
> whole model around and make vfio a library called by the actual driver
> for the device.  That is any device that needs device specific
> funtionality simply needs a proper in-kernel driver, which then can be
> switched to a vfio mode where all the normal subsystems are unbound
> from the device, and VFIO functionality is found to it all while _the_
> driver that controls the PCI ID is still in charge of it.

Yes, this is what I want to strive for with Greg.

It would also resolve alot of the uncomfortable code I see in VFIO
using the driver core. For instance, when a device is moved to 'vfio
mode' it can go through and *lock* the entire group of devices to
'vfio mode' or completely fail.

This would replace all the protective code that is all about ensuring
the admin doesn't improperly mix & match in-kernel and vfio drivers
within a security domain.

The wrinkle I don't yet have an easy answer to is how to load vfio_pci
as a universal "default" within the driver core lazy bind scheme and
still have working module autoloading... I'm hoping to get some
research into this..

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-19 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-09  8:33 [PATCH v3 0/9] Introduce vfio-pci-core subsystem Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 1/9] vfio-pci: rename vfio_pci.c to vfio_pci_core.c Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 2/9] vfio-pci: rename vfio_pci_private.h to vfio_pci_core.h Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 3/9] vfio-pci: rename vfio_pci_device to vfio_pci_core_device Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 4/9] vfio-pci: introduce vfio_pci_core subsystem driver Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 5/9] vfio/pci: introduce vfio_pci_device structure Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 6/9] vfio-pci-core: export vfio_pci_register_dev_region function Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 7/9] vfio/pci_core: split nvlink2 to nvlink2gpu and npu2 Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-10  8:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 8/9] vfio/pci: export nvlink2 support into vendor vfio_pci drivers Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-10  6:39   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-10 12:57     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-10 13:02       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-10 14:24         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-10 19:40           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-11  1:20             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-11  1:34               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-11  1:42                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-11  2:00                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-11  7:54                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-11  9:44                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-11 16:51                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-11 17:01                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-10 14:19       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-11  1:10         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-19 15:23       ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-19 16:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-19 16:20           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-19 16:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2021-03-19 16:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-19 17:36                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-19 20:07                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-19 21:08                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-19 22:59                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-20  4:40                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-21 12:58                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-22 16:40                             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-23 19:32                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-24  2:39                                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2021-03-29 23:10                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-04-01 13:04                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-01 13:12                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-04-01 21:49                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-22 15:11                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-22 16:44                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-23 13:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-23 13:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-09  8:33 ` [PATCH 9/9] vfio/pci: export igd support into vendor vfio_pci driver Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-10  8:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-10 12:31     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-03-11 11:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-11 12:09         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-03-11 15:43         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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