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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch@gnu.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	nick.alcock@oracle.com, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Plumbers CF MCs
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:40:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210402124031.GH13863@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210323195358.GB4746@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 08:53:58PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 07:29:01PM +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > For the compiler folk here, the tl;dr is that indirect CALL/JMP (i.e.
> > function pointers, jump tables) and RET instructions may speculatively
> > execute the next sequential instruction(s) before taking the control
> > flow change into account. 
> 
> So JMP and RET can trivially have INT3 following in such a way that that
> instruction is never in the actual execution path. This is obviously not
> possible for CALL.

What about
  call ; jmp 0f ; int3 ; 0:
?  Only the jmp can be speculatively executed (if your (u)arch executes
jumps at all), but that cannot be a problem, no data is involved.

> > Having some toolchain support to deal with
> > this would be great, and preferable to some of the asm hackary currently
> > under suggestion.

I fail to see how it is anything more than some boring backend-specific
patches?  By nature you pretty much have to emit this as canned
instruction sequences, so all the rest of the compiler sees it is just a
call or jump or whathaveyou.


Segher

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-02 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-22 20:23 Plumbers CF MCs Nick Desaulniers
2021-03-22 20:39 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-03-31 19:34   ` Elena Zannoni
2021-03-31 20:36     ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-01  7:59       ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-04-01 20:01         ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-01 13:29       ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-01 13:31         ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-01 13:49         ` Elena Zannoni
2021-04-01 15:11           ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-04-01 20:11           ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-01 13:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-01 13:25       ` Steven Rostedt
2021-04-01 13:25         ` Steven Rostedt
2021-03-23  8:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-23  8:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-23 19:29   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-23 19:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-23 22:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24  0:36         ` Steven Rostedt
2021-03-24  8:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-23 22:23       ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-24  8:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24 11:30           ` Andrew Cooper
2021-04-02 12:40       ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2021-03-23 22:26     ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-03-24  7:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-24  8:47   ` Christian Brauner
2021-03-30 14:13   ` Will Deacon
2021-04-01  7:17     ` Kees Cook
2021-04-02 12:33   ` Segher Boessenkool

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