From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFD4C433EF for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz [77.48.224.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD5CB615E5 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:13:13 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 mail.kernel.org BD5CB615E5 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mrbrklyn.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=alsa-project.org Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (alsa1.perex.cz [207.180.221.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 161F916E2; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:12:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa0.perex.cz 161F916E2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alsa-project.org; s=default; t=1633014792; bh=Ggzy0fejFqx+Zv0QZIj8S0uPVG837aHnMIrfQo9eQts=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From; b=onPUDQkUEaBgQm4TptMPMvfqwte3rD5lR5WiP1osm/qxrOEpfmzMJlAy/nZzw3a+u 1llicZ/ao/U0Zxl4vwKEIRhSluIXGXLknUy49FTKEcsNjz4R30kKvKG58ZZnRHVYiW RpkEOZfj+ZBusfWwKeklY4WVa1DRGJCoj1L37OAQ= Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741EFF804E5; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id BEA34F80227; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:07:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53F7F80113 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:07:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa1.perex.cz D53F7F80113 Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AAE3163F8F; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:07:15 -0400 From: Ruben Safir To: Geraldo Nascimento Subject: Re: ALSA kernel projects - for academic purposes Message-ID: <20210929150715.GC15841@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <324112.1632501120@turing-police> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:11:01 +0200 Cc: Muni Sekhar , alsa-devel , Valdis =?utf-8?Q?Kl=C4=93tnieks?= , linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kernelnewbies X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 07:26:08PM -0300, Geraldo Nascimento wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:28:01PM +0530, Muni Sekhar wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:02 PM Valdis Klētnieks > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:34:59 +0530, Muni Sekhar said: > > > > What small projects would you suggest to a novice with the ALSA > > > > kernel. The aim is to develop a familiarity with the ALSA kernel > > > > source code, and also to submit it for academic purposes. > > I'm not an academicist by far but if you want your patches to be academic, > I think it's more of a question of scientific rigour and scientific > method, No - it is an issue of education. They are trying to learn something that they don't already know. The contribution is they become educated. > such that when the patch(set) is finally accepted by the Linux > community and Linus Torvalds ultimately, you can write a paper about > it. > They are not writing a paper for Linus. They are writing it for their dean or mentor. > Obviously there are a lot of things an academicist could bring from his > background to improve the Linux kernel, Yeah - but that is not what they are trying to do. And if that was the case, this would likely not be the list for it, since this is a newbies list. > My suggestion is to ask Takashi Iwai if he has in mind BOINK - the doesn't need a new student dragging on his tail and if he did then he would chose an intern to help with his code. You are failing to understand how higher education works. > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B93C433EF for ; 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Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:07:15 -0400 From: Ruben Safir To: Geraldo Nascimento Subject: Re: ALSA kernel projects - for academic purposes Message-ID: <20210929150715.GC15841@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <324112.1632501120@turing-police> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Muni Sekhar , alsa-devel , Valdis =?utf-8?Q?Kl=C4=93tnieks?= , linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kernelnewbies X-BeenThere: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Learn about the Linux kernel List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: kernelnewbies-bounces@kernelnewbies.org T24gRnJpLCBTZXAgMjQsIDIwMjEgYXQgMDc6MjY6MDhQTSAtMDMwMCwgR2VyYWxkbyBOYXNjaW1l bnRvIHdyb3RlOgo+IE9uIEZyaSwgU2VwIDI0LCAyMDIxIGF0IDEwOjI4OjAxUE0gKzA1MzAsIE11 bmkgU2VraGFyIHdyb3RlOgo+ID4gT24gRnJpLCBTZXAgMjQsIDIwMjEgYXQgMTA6MDIgUE0gVmFs ZGlzIEtsxJN0bmlla3MKPiA+IDx2YWxkaXMua2xldG5pZWtzQHZ0LmVkdT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gPiA+ Cj4gPiA+IE9uIEZyaSwgMjQgU2VwIDIwMjEgMTk6MzQ6NTkgKzA1MzAsIE11bmkgU2VraGFyIHNh aWQ6Cj4gPiA+ID4gV2hhdCBzbWFsbCBwcm9qZWN0cyB3b3VsZCB5b3Ugc3VnZ2VzdCB0byBhIG5v dmljZSB3aXRoIHRoZSBBTFNBCj4gPiA+ID4ga2VybmVsLiBUaGUgYWltIGlzIHRvIGRldmVsb3Ag YSBmYW1pbGlhcml0eSB3aXRoIHRoZSBBTFNBIGtlcm5lbAo+ID4gPiA+IHNvdXJjZSBjb2RlLCBh bmQgYWxzbyB0byBzdWJtaXQgaXQgZm9yIGFjYWRlbWljIHB1cnBvc2VzLgo+IAo+IEknbSBub3Qg YW4gYWNhZGVtaWNpc3QgYnkgZmFyIGJ1dCBpZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB5b3VyIHBhdGNoZXMgdG8gYmUg YWNhZGVtaWMsCj4gSSB0aGluayBpdCdzIG1vcmUgb2YgYSBxdWVzdGlvbiBvZiBzY2llbnRpZmlj IHJpZ291ciBhbmQgc2NpZW50aWZpYwo+IG1ldGhvZCwgCgoKTm8gLSBpdCBpcyBhbiBpc3N1ZSBv ZiBlZHVjYXRpb24uICBUaGV5IGFyZSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gbGVhcm4gc29tZXRoaW5nCnRoYXQgdGhl eSBkb24ndCBhbHJlYWR5IGtub3cuICBUaGUgY29udHJpYnV0aW9uIGlzIHRoZXkgYmVjb21lIGVk dWNhdGVkLgoKPiBzdWNoIHRoYXQgd2hlbiB0aGUgcGF0Y2goc2V0KSBpcyBmaW5hbGx5IGFjY2Vw dGVkIGJ5IHRoZSBMaW51eAo+IGNvbW11bml0eSBhbmQgTGludXMgVG9ydmFsZHMgdWx0aW1hdGVs eSwgeW91IGNhbiB3cml0ZSBhIHBhcGVyIGFib3V0Cj4gaXQuCj4KCgpUaGV5IGFyZSBub3Qgd3Jp dGluZyBhIHBhcGVyIGZvciBMaW51cy4gIFRoZXkgYXJlIHdyaXRpbmcgaXQgZm9yIHRoZWlyCmRl YW4gb3IgbWVudG9yLgoKCj4gT2J2aW91c2x5IHRoZXJlIGFyZSBhIGxvdCBvZiB0aGluZ3MgYW4g YWNhZGVtaWNpc3QgY291bGQgYnJpbmcgZnJvbSBoaXMKPiBiYWNrZ3JvdW5kIHRvIGltcHJvdmUg dGhlIExpbnV4IGtlcm5lbCwgCgpZZWFoIC0gYnV0IHRoYXQgaXMgbm90IHdoYXQgdGhleSBhcmUg dHJ5aW5nIHRvIGRvLiAgQW5kIGlmIHRoYXQgd2FzIHRoZQpjYXNlLCB0aGlzIHdvdWxkIGxpa2Vs eSBub3QgYmUgdGhlIGxpc3QgZm9yIGl0LCBzaW5jZSB0aGlzIGlzIGEgbmV3YmllcwpsaXN0LgoK Cj4gTXkgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbiBpcyB0byBhc2sgVGFrYXNoaSBJd2FpIGlmIGhlIGhhcyBpbiBtaW5k IAoKQk9JTksgLSB0aGUgZG9lc24ndCBuZWVkIGEgbmV3IHN0dWRlbnQgZHJhZ2dpbmcgb24gaGlz IHRhaWwgYW5kIGlmIGhlCmRpZCB0aGVuIGhlIHdvdWxkIGNob3NlIGFuIGludGVybiB0byBoZWxw IHdpdGggaGlzIGNvZGUuCgpZb3UgYXJlIGZhaWxpbmcgdG8gdW5kZXJzdGFuZCBob3cgaGlnaGVy IGVkdWNhdGlvbiB3b3Jrcy4KCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX18KPiBLZXJuZWxuZXdiaWVzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdAo+IEtlcm5lbG5ld2JpZXNA a2VybmVsbmV3Ymllcy5vcmcKPiBodHRwczovL2xpc3RzLmtlcm5lbG5ld2JpZXMub3JnL21haWxt YW4vbGlzdGluZm8va2VybmVsbmV3YmllcwoKCi0tIApTbyBtYW55IGltbWlncmFudCBncm91cHMg aGF2ZSBzd2VwdCB0aHJvdWdoIG91ciB0b3duCnRoYXQgQnJvb2tseW4sIGxpa2UgQXRsYW50aXMs IHJlYWNoZXMgbXl0aG9sb2dpY2FsCnByb3BvcnRpb25zIGluIHRoZSBtaW5kIG9mIHRoZSB3b3Js ZCAtIFJJIFNhZmlyIDE5OTgKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tcmJya2x5bi5jb20gCgpEUk0gaXMgVEhFRlQg LSBXZSBhcmUgdGhlIFNUQUtFSE9MREVSUyAtIFJJIFNhZmlyIDIwMDIKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ueWx4 cy5jb20gLSBMZWFkZXJzaGlwIERldmVsb3BtZW50IGluIEZyZWUgU29mdHdhcmUKaHR0cDovL3d3 dzIubXJicmtseW4uY29tL3Jlc291cmNlcyAtIFVucHVibGlzaGVkIEFyY2hpdmUgCmh0dHA6Ly93 d3cuY29pbmhhbmdvdXQuY29tIC0gY29pbnMhCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYnJvb2tseW4tbGl2aW5nLmNv bSAKCkJlaW5nIHNvIHRyYWNrZWQgaXMgZm9yIEZBUk0gQU5JTUFMUyBhbmQgZXh0ZXJtaW5hdGlv biBjYW1wcywgCmJ1dCBpbmNvbXBhdGlibGUgd2l0aCBsaXZpbmcgYXMgYSBmcmVlIGh1bWFuIGJl aW5nLiAtUkkgU2FmaXIgMjAxMwoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fCktlcm5lbG5ld2JpZXMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cktlcm5lbG5ld2JpZXNAa2Vy bmVsbmV3Ymllcy5vcmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5rZXJuZWxuZXdiaWVzLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xp c3RpbmZvL2tlcm5lbG5ld2JpZXMK From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ruben Safir Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: ALSA kernel projects - for academic purposes Message-Id: <20210929150715.GC15841@www2.mrbrklyn.com> List-Id: References: <324112.1632501120@turing-police> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Geraldo Nascimento Cc: Muni Sekhar , alsa-devel , Valdis =?utf-8?Q?Kl=C4=93tnieks?= , linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kernelnewbies On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 07:26:08PM -0300, Geraldo Nascimento wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:28:01PM +0530, Muni Sekhar wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:02 PM Valdis Kl=C4=93tnieks > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:34:59 +0530, Muni Sekhar said: > > > > What small projects would you suggest to a novice with the ALSA > > > > kernel. The aim is to develop a familiarity with the ALSA kernel > > > > source code, and also to submit it for academic purposes. >=20 > I'm not an academicist by far but if you want your patches to be academic, > I think it's more of a question of scientific rigour and scientific > method,=20 No - it is an issue of education. They are trying to learn something that they don't already know. The contribution is they become educated. > such that when the patch(set) is finally accepted by the Linux > community and Linus Torvalds ultimately, you can write a paper about > it. > They are not writing a paper for Linus. They are writing it for their dean or mentor. > Obviously there are a lot of things an academicist could bring from his > background to improve the Linux kernel,=20 Yeah - but that is not what they are trying to do. And if that was the case, this would likely not be the list for it, since this is a newbies list. > My suggestion is to ask Takashi Iwai if he has in mind=20 BOINK - the doesn't need a new student dragging on his tail and if he did then he would chose an intern to help with his code. You are failing to understand how higher education works. > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org > https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies --=20 So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com=20 DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive=20 http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com=20 Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,=20 but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013