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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Add device reset timeout field
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:00:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211011115716-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481502C480B6A7C1B61DFD6DCB59@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 03:44:14PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > This is unlikely to work the reset is completed. Because a real device
> > implementing this would prefer to do this in fw for 1000 virtio devices sitting on
> > the physical card.
> > > And it is very much driven by such implementation at device devel.
> > > So it cannot update the counter value if reset is not completed for the device.
> > >
> > > I think read only device reset timeout is most elegant option during device
> > initialization phase that eliminates infinite loop of today.
> > 
> > Why can't a driver just go ahead and do a timeout regardless? 
> o.k. lets consider this thought exercise. What is the timeout value that driver will choose if device doesn't specify one?
> I explained in previous thread and you acked that actual fw based device may take longer to initialize than pure sw implementation backend.
> In second example a pre-boot device can take even longer initialization time.
> Sriov VF device may initialize lot faster.
> Instead of driver having such transport, and device specific checks, (or some very short or very long timeout), we propose, that let device mention such timeout value.

Parav I think you are conflating reset with initialization time.
initialization is just for host boot which takes seconds anyway -
but no, minutes is not reasonable their, either.
reset affects guest boot. This needs to complete in milliseconds.

This conflation is IMHO one of the problems with this proposal.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-11 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 14:10 [PATCH v2] Add device reset timeout field Parav Pandit
2021-10-06 15:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-06 16:11   ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-06 20:53     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-07  3:42       ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-07 16:10         ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-07 17:58           ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 10:00             ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-08 10:19               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 10:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-08 10:51               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 11:18                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-08 12:55                   ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 10:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-08 10:59           ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 11:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-08 11:45               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 11:47               ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-08 12:12                 ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 12:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-08 13:23                     ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-08 23:09                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-11 14:29                         ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-11 14:59                           ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-11 15:44                             ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-11 16:00                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-10-12  8:51                                 ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-12  9:01                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-12  9:12                                     ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-14 17:35                                       ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-14 22:28                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-15  4:36                                           ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  5:15                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2021-10-15  5:20                                               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  6:40                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-10-15  6:42                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-10-15  6:48                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  7:02                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-10-15  8:21                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  8:42                                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-10-22  7:20                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-25  5:41                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-10-25  6:11                                                               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-26  4:03                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-10-27  8:04                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-27  8:26                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-28  4:01                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-28  5:50                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-28  6:06                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  6:51                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-10-15  8:09                                               ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-15  9:25                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-22  6:29                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2021-10-11 16:22                               ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-10-12 10:35                                 ` Parav Pandit

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