From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz [77.48.224.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C5E0C433F5 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (alsa1.perex.cz [207.180.221.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B6E17DB; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:23:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa0.perex.cz A1B6E17DB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alsa-project.org; s=default; t=1640787878; bh=T3HUEllg1Pw7vYBFjSPgjWTc0i5UwlDCIB5VYMi9zQk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From; b=WGxBx0JxFpx/B4tU3ct+yHsqiKN5gKq68aJNsYAaZw+B4zk9Ct+H3WB7jGdnuuDhw iVx3lutXlygzYeMsKF6UkHMgCC11/svNxAUIwQa9FWi4L8GWbT9GBVI3gGjKO/J4bt NStbi+Hc/apKxkNSxsfFK5kUcwHotom/dpp+gCcU= Received: from alsa1.perex.cz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E068F80533; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:20:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 50401) id E0C47F80224; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:13:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ams.source.kernel.org (ams.source.kernel.org [145.40.68.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by alsa1.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65962F800E9 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:13:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 alsa1.perex.cz 65962F800E9 Authentication-Results: alsa1.perex.cz; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="aC2AgnEY" Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05949B81689; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EC36C36AF0; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1640711595; bh=T3HUEllg1Pw7vYBFjSPgjWTc0i5UwlDCIB5VYMi9zQk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aC2AgnEYsVn8ajMr8WXjrdgvYdxaICxzBEIqsQvRNJDdSNTmgYKxxE13ldY57jvt6 wtSnEDHwfFeP7WPa1v2BXHsL164j0gjjc1waprQ7FxnadoJwpFcS8YPlJ1fRUUEgNG 1n8B6ybs2qiYbmmANluzHzAR+HA2JhBdfnB5r0OInhaGxnhy9LnnhUQ0kSAmYqyjvt U8WA12Q8XWC6B4+2O+Uw+3c+bVIkQEInrB+E4lsE9bM/HIbStWglKd4TfiZn9oNjTC 71qzDaDkiqAQz8JEolGNowQ5U8m10M955+gDpfmp1KuoHVnN/ysNieqn8T0FB5YrhX IQJmZwEC33MlQ== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Niklas Schnelle , Hans Verkuil , Ettore Chimenti Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI Message-ID: <20211228181107.2d476028@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> References: <20211227164317.4146918-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211227164317.4146918-2-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211228101435.3a55b983@coco.lan> <20211228135425.0a69168c@coco.lan> <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.30; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:20:41 +0100 Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Linus Walleij , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Jean Delvare , Guo Ren , linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Vincent Chen , Jiri Slaby , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Hannes Reinecke , Michael Grzeschik , intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Sumit Saxena , Damien Le Moal , Sathya Prakash , Jesse Brandeburg , linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, Kashyap Desai , Nilesh Javali , Bjorn Helgaas , linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com, Jakub Kicinski , MPT-FusionLinux.pdl@broadcom.com, "James E.J. Bottomley" , Guenter Roeck , linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, Albert Ou , linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, Jouni Malinen , Suganath Prabu Subramani , Kalle Valo , John Garry , linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, Ian Abbott , Mark Brown , Greentime Hu , Paul Walmsley , Bjorn Helgaas , Wim Van Sebroeck , megaraidlinux.pdl@broadcom.com, Teddy Wang , linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , Karsten Keil , Sreekanth Reddy , "Martin K. Petersen" , Nick Hu , Sudip Mukherjee , Shivasharan S , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dmitry Torokhov , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Takashi Iwai , "David S. Miller" , H Hartley Sweeten , Palmer Dabbelt , Forest Bond , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Tony Nguyen , Bartosz Golaszewski X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100 Niklas Schnelle escreveu: (on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected by mail servers) > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > ---8<--- > > > > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't > > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right? > > > > > > > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like > > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward, > > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"? > > > > > > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate > > > > name for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mauro > > > > > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the > > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02. > > > > > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two > > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card > > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O. > > > > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed > > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? > > > > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y > > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"? > > In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by > architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an > architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any > defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these. > > Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one > wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with > HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X > based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it > would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for > vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for > distributions to decide. IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb. > > Arnd described the options here: > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q@mail.gmail.com/ Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT. This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues at robots and/or git bisect. I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for maintainers to review. > > > > > > This > > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require > > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe > > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for > > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future > > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space." > > > > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic. > > > > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more > > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by. > > > > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or > > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy" > > means. > > Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like > LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe > devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe > device to work with a PCIe device. That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason. Just to give one example, this symbol: > diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644 > --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA > config CEC_SECO > tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver" > depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST > - depends on PCI && DMI > + depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI > select CEC_CORE > select CEC_NOTIFIER > help Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards. Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected. I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here. Thanks, Mauro From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100 Subject: [Intel-wired-lan] [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI In-Reply-To: <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> References: <20211227164317.4146918-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211227164317.4146918-2-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211228101435.3a55b983@coco.lan> <20211228135425.0a69168c@coco.lan> <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20211228181107.2d476028@coco.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: intel-wired-lan@osuosl.org List-ID: Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100 Niklas Schnelle escreveu: (on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected by mail servers) > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > ---8<--- > > > > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't > > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right? > > > > > > > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like > > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward, > > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"? > > > > > > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate > > > > name for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mauro > > > > > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the > > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02. > > > > > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two > > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card > > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O. > > > > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed > > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? > > > > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y > > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"? > > In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by > architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an > architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any > defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these. > > Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one > wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with > HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X > based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it > would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for > vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for > distributions to decide. IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb. > > Arnd described the options here: > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q at mail.gmail.com/ Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT. This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues at robots and/or git bisect. I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for maintainers to review. > > > > > > This > > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require > > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe > > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for > > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future > > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space." > > > > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic. > > > > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more > > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by. > > > > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or > > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy" > > means. > > Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like > LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe > devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe > device to work with a PCIe device. That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason. Just to give one example, this symbol: > diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644 > --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA > config CEC_SECO > tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver" > depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST > - depends on PCI && DMI > + depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI > select CEC_CORE > select CEC_NOTIFIER > help Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards. Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected. I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here. Thanks, Mauro From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0795AC4332F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S236083AbhL1RNV (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:13:21 -0500 Received: from ams.source.kernel.org ([145.40.68.75]:55424 "EHLO ams.source.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233056AbhL1RNU (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:13:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B9F3B8168C; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EC36C36AF0; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1640711595; bh=T3HUEllg1Pw7vYBFjSPgjWTc0i5UwlDCIB5VYMi9zQk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aC2AgnEYsVn8ajMr8WXjrdgvYdxaICxzBEIqsQvRNJDdSNTmgYKxxE13ldY57jvt6 wtSnEDHwfFeP7WPa1v2BXHsL164j0gjjc1waprQ7FxnadoJwpFcS8YPlJ1fRUUEgNG 1n8B6ybs2qiYbmmANluzHzAR+HA2JhBdfnB5r0OInhaGxnhy9LnnhUQ0kSAmYqyjvt U8WA12Q8XWC6B4+2O+Uw+3c+bVIkQEInrB+E4lsE9bM/HIbStWglKd4TfiZn9oNjTC 71qzDaDkiqAQz8JEolGNowQ5U8m10M955+gDpfmp1KuoHVnN/ysNieqn8T0FB5YrhX IQJmZwEC33MlQ== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Niklas Schnelle , Hans Verkuil , Ettore Chimenti Cc: Bjorn Helgaas , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arnd Bergmann , Bjorn Helgaas , John Garry , Nick Hu , Greentime Hu , Vincent Chen , Paul Walmsley , Palmer Dabbelt , Albert Ou , Guo Ren , Damien Le Moal , Ian Abbott , H Hartley Sweeten , Linus Walleij , Bartosz Golaszewski , Jean Delvare , Guenter Roeck , Dmitry Torokhov , Karsten Keil , Sathya Prakash , Sreekanth Reddy , Suganath Prabu Subramani , Michael Grzeschik , "David S. 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Petersen" , Hannes Reinecke , Kashyap Desai , Sumit Saxena , Shivasharan S , Nilesh Javali , GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com, Mark Brown , Sudip Mukherjee , Teddy Wang , Forest Bond , Jiri Slaby , Wim Van Sebroeck , Jaroslav Kysela , Takashi Iwai , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, MPT-FusionLinux.pdl@broadcom.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, megaraidlinux.pdl@broadcom.com, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI Message-ID: <20211228181107.2d476028@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> References: <20211227164317.4146918-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211227164317.4146918-2-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211228101435.3a55b983@coco.lan> <20211228135425.0a69168c@coco.lan> <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.30; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100 Niklas Schnelle escreveu: (on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected by mail servers) > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > ---8<--- > > > > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't > > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right? > > > > > > > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like > > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward, > > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"? > > > > > > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate > > > > name for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mauro > > > > > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the > > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02. > > > > > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two > > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card > > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O. > > > > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed > > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? > > > > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y > > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"? > > In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by > architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an > architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any > defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these. > > Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one > wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with > HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X > based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it > would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for > vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for > distributions to decide. IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb. > > Arnd described the options here: > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q@mail.gmail.com/ Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT. This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues at robots and/or git bisect. I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for maintainers to review. > > > > > > This > > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require > > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe > > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for > > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future > > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space." > > > > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic. > > > > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more > > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by. > > > > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or > > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy" > > means. > > Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like > LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe > devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe > device to work with a PCIe device. That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason. Just to give one example, this symbol: > diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644 > --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA > config CEC_SECO > tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver" > depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST > - depends on PCI && DMI > + depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI > select CEC_CORE > select CEC_NOTIFIER > help Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards. Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected. I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here. Thanks, Mauro From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED622C433EF for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=efv7PkgpkBqIte/VpLd7BBCKgQT0Y/HBNMNPrua001k=; b=j1hnbvK97aVEF8 o1PLYP1N0e2UOONNT2JdNuyze6mxYO2ERkdCXqe2Z6xn4c7xEiovXLNW7THYhibY1APs1Yp1UEWwL HCYm0MSb5aMJ+mAA1kkLal5XvsDXcv0s1GjcQnaV5W2uuWCKg4pl8onigzz3OAbU4mS0o5sRXIwcB a+jmf82dWNolW4bGn6v5MVzp5xmf1prFIU4M6WERDwYPdZHrERQzbV9tYix9TZ5iMuKOpZwyuOTMb ythxfFUin9VcljPyQts4t+tqF3U7vw+W0K5ksPP/Tzd5EzhM708y0qaaJ4ZNieSi351gG4Av3Eh5W bmbcNIIWUo0jpJXHZQiw==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1n2G2N-001coD-7K; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:23 +0000 Received: from ams.source.kernel.org ([2604:1380:4601:e00::1]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.94.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1n2G2K-001cnG-32 for linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:22 +0000 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05949B81689; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EC36C36AF0; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1640711595; bh=T3HUEllg1Pw7vYBFjSPgjWTc0i5UwlDCIB5VYMi9zQk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aC2AgnEYsVn8ajMr8WXjrdgvYdxaICxzBEIqsQvRNJDdSNTmgYKxxE13ldY57jvt6 wtSnEDHwfFeP7WPa1v2BXHsL164j0gjjc1waprQ7FxnadoJwpFcS8YPlJ1fRUUEgNG 1n8B6ybs2qiYbmmANluzHzAR+HA2JhBdfnB5r0OInhaGxnhy9LnnhUQ0kSAmYqyjvt U8WA12Q8XWC6B4+2O+Uw+3c+bVIkQEInrB+E4lsE9bM/HIbStWglKd4TfiZn9oNjTC 71qzDaDkiqAQz8JEolGNowQ5U8m10M955+gDpfmp1KuoHVnN/ysNieqn8T0FB5YrhX IQJmZwEC33MlQ== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Niklas Schnelle , Hans Verkuil , Ettore Chimenti Cc: Bjorn Helgaas , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arnd Bergmann , Bjorn Helgaas , John Garry , Nick Hu , Greentime Hu , Vincent Chen , Paul Walmsley , Palmer Dabbelt , Albert Ou , Guo Ren , Damien Le Moal , Ian Abbott , H Hartley Sweeten , Linus Walleij , Bartosz Golaszewski , Jean Delvare , Guenter Roeck , Dmitry Torokhov , Karsten Keil , Sathya Prakash , Sreekanth Reddy , Suganath Prabu Subramani , Michael Grzeschik , "David S. Miller" , Jakub Kicinski , Jesse Brandeburg , Tony Nguyen , Kalle Valo , Jouni Malinen , "James E.J. Bottomley" , "Martin K. Petersen" , Hannes Reinecke , Kashyap Desai , Sumit Saxena , Shivasharan S , Nilesh Javali , GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com, Mark Brown , Sudip Mukherjee , Teddy Wang , Forest Bond , Jiri Slaby , Wim Van Sebroeck , Jaroslav Kysela , Takashi Iwai , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, MPT-FusionLinux.pdl@broadcom.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, megaraidlinux.pdl@broadcom.com, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI Message-ID: <20211228181107.2d476028@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> References: <20211227164317.4146918-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211227164317.4146918-2-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211228101435.3a55b983@coco.lan> <20211228135425.0a69168c@coco.lan> <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.30; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20211228_091320_462639_03B1E056 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 52.47 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100 Niklas Schnelle escreveu: (on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected by mail servers) > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > ---8<--- > > > > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't > > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right? > > > > > > > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like > > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward, > > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"? > > > > > > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate > > > > name for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mauro > > > > > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the > > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02. > > > > > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two > > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card > > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O. > > > > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed > > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? > > > > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y > > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"? > > In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by > architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an > architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any > defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these. > > Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one > wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with > HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X > based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it > would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for > vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for > distributions to decide. IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb. > > Arnd described the options here: > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q@mail.gmail.com/ Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT. This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues at robots and/or git bisect. I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for maintainers to review. > > > > > > This > > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require > > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe > > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for > > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future > > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space." > > > > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic. > > > > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more > > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by. > > > > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or > > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy" > > means. > > Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like > LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe > devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe > device to work with a PCIe device. That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason. Just to give one example, this symbol: > diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644 > --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA > config CEC_SECO > tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver" > depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST > - depends on PCI && DMI > + depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI > select CEC_CORE > select CEC_NOTIFIER > help Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards. Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected. I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here. Thanks, Mauro _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11C70C4167E for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77EC10FB74; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ams.source.kernel.org (ams.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4601:e00::1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3260210FB73 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05949B81689; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EC36C36AF0; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:13:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1640711595; bh=T3HUEllg1Pw7vYBFjSPgjWTc0i5UwlDCIB5VYMi9zQk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aC2AgnEYsVn8ajMr8WXjrdgvYdxaICxzBEIqsQvRNJDdSNTmgYKxxE13ldY57jvt6 wtSnEDHwfFeP7WPa1v2BXHsL164j0gjjc1waprQ7FxnadoJwpFcS8YPlJ1fRUUEgNG 1n8B6ybs2qiYbmmANluzHzAR+HA2JhBdfnB5r0OInhaGxnhy9LnnhUQ0kSAmYqyjvt U8WA12Q8XWC6B4+2O+Uw+3c+bVIkQEInrB+E4lsE9bM/HIbStWglKd4TfiZn9oNjTC 71qzDaDkiqAQz8JEolGNowQ5U8m10M955+gDpfmp1KuoHVnN/ysNieqn8T0FB5YrhX IQJmZwEC33MlQ== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Niklas Schnelle , Hans Verkuil , Ettore Chimenti Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI Message-ID: <20211228181107.2d476028@coco.lan> In-Reply-To: <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> References: <20211227164317.4146918-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211227164317.4146918-2-schnelle@linux.ibm.com> <20211228101435.3a55b983@coco.lan> <20211228135425.0a69168c@coco.lan> <4b630b7b87bd983291f628c42a1394fc0d2d86bd.camel@linux.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.30; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Jaroslav Kysela , linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Jean Delvare , Guo Ren , linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Vincent Chen , Jiri Slaby , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Hannes Reinecke , Michael Grzeschik , linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Sumit Saxena , Damien Le Moal , Sathya Prakash , Jesse Brandeburg , linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, Kashyap Desai , Nilesh Javali , Bjorn Helgaas , linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com, Jakub Kicinski , MPT-FusionLinux.pdl@broadcom.com, "James E.J. Bottomley" , Guenter Roeck , linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, Albert Ou , linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, Jouni Malinen , Suganath Prabu Subramani , Kalle Valo , John Garry , linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, Ian Abbott , Mark Brown , Greentime Hu , Paul Walmsley , Bjorn Helgaas , Wim Van Sebroeck , megaraidlinux.pdl@broadcom.com, Teddy Wang , linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , Karsten Keil , Sreekanth Reddy , "Martin K. Petersen" , Nick Hu , Sudip Mukherjee , Shivasharan S , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dmitry Torokhov , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Takashi Iwai , "David S. Miller" , H Hartley Sweeten , Palmer Dabbelt , Forest Bond , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Tony Nguyen , intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, Bartosz Golaszewski Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100 Niklas Schnelle escreveu: (on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected by mail servers) > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > ---8<--- > > > > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't > > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right? > > > > > > > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like > > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at > > > > > all? > > > > > > > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward, > > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"? > > > > > > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate > > > > name for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mauro > > > > > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the > > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02. > > > > > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two > > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card > > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O. > > > > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed > > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? > > > > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y > > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"? > > In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by > architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an > architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any > defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these. > > Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one > wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with > HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X > based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it > would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for > vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for > distributions to decide. IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb. > > Arnd described the options here: > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q@mail.gmail.com/ Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT. This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues at robots and/or git bisect. I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for maintainers to review. > > > > > > This > > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require > > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe > > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for > > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future > > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space." > > > > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic. > > > > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more > > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by. > > > > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or > > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy" > > means. > > Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like > LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe > devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe > device to work with a PCIe device. That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason. Just to give one example, this symbol: > diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644 > --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig > @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA > config CEC_SECO > tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver" > depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST > - depends on PCI && DMI > + depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI > select CEC_CORE > select CEC_NOTIFIER > help Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards. Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected. I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here. Thanks, Mauro