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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V10 14/44] mm/pkeys: Introduce pks_set_readwrite()
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 15:08:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202205101504.5B5C693F7C@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnraD8URWxWtaltF@iweiny-desk3>

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 02:33:03PM -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 02:38:38PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > [...]
> > Better yet would be:
> > 
> > 	preempt_disable();
> > 	rdmsrl(MSR_IA32_PKRS, pkrs);
> > 	pkrs = pkey_update_pkval(pkrs, pkey, protection);
> > 	pks_write_pkrs(pkrs);
> > 	current->thread.pkrs = pkrs;
> > 	preempt_enable();
> > 
> > Then cross-thread attacks cannot corrupt the _other_ PKS keys (i.e.
> > write the desired changes to target's current->thread.kprs and trigger
> > an update to a different pkey, resulting in flushing the attacker's
> > changes to that CPU's pkey state.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't think this entirely prevents an attack through the
> thread.pkrs value.  thread.pkrs has to be used to set the MSR when a thread is
> scheduled.  Therefore the rdmsrl above will by definition pick up the
> thread.pkrs but from an earlier time.

Ooh, good point, yeah.

> I'm not opposed to doing this as I think it does reduce the time window of such
> an attack but I wanted to mention it.  Especially since I specifically avoided
> ever reading the MSR to improve performance.
> 
> I'm going to run some tests.  Perhaps the MSR read is not that big of a deal
> and I can convince myself that the performance diff is negligible.

Yeah, given "loaded at scheduling" point, there's not much benefit in
read/write pair. I think my first suggestion about only writing to
thread.pkrs after the write, etc, still stands. I'll ponder this a bit
more.

> > While adding these, can you please also add pks_set_nowrite()? This
> > will be needed for protecting writes to memory that should be otherwise
> > readable.
> 
> I have a patch to add pks_set_readonly() but I was advised to not send it
> because this series does not include a use case for it.  (PMEM does not need
> it.)
> 
> Dave, Dan?  Are you ok adding that back?
> 
> Kees would you prefer pks_set_nowrite() as a name?

I think nowrite is the better name (in the sense that "read-only" can
sometimes imply non-executable).

> > 
> > With these changes it should be possible to protect the kernel's page
> > table entries from "stray" writes. :)
> 
> Yes, Rick has done some great work in that area.

Oh! I would _love_ to see this series. I was trying to scope the work
yesterday but gave up after I couldn't figure out the qemu PKS trick. :)

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-10 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-19 17:06 [PATCH V10 00/44] PKS/PMEM: Add Stray Write Protection ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 01/44] Documentation/protection-keys: Clean up documentation for User Space pkeys ira.weiny
2022-06-07 23:09   ` [tip: x86/mm] " tip-bot2 for Ira Weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 02/44] x86/pkeys: Clarify PKRU_AD_KEY macro ira.weiny
2022-06-07 23:09   ` [tip: x86/mm] " tip-bot2 for Ira Weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 03/44] x86/pkeys: Make PKRU macros generic ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 04/44] x86/fpu: Refactor arch_set_user_pkey_access() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 05/44] mm/pkeys: Add Kconfig options for PKS ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 06/44] x86/pkeys: Add PKS CPU feature bit ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 07/44] x86/fault: Adjust WARN_ON for pkey fault ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 08/44] Documentation/pkeys: Add initial PKS documentation ira.weiny
2022-05-09 22:03   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-10 17:18     ` Ira Weiny
2022-05-10 20:17       ` Kees Cook
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 09/44] mm/pkeys: Provide for PKS key allocation ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 10/44] x86/pkeys: Enable PKS on cpus which support it ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 11/44] mm/pkeys: Define PKS page table macros ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 12/44] x86/pkeys: Introduce pks_write_pkrs() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 13/44] x86/pkeys: Preserve the PKS MSR on context switch ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 14/44] mm/pkeys: Introduce pks_set_readwrite() ira.weiny
2022-05-09 21:38   ` Kees Cook
2022-05-10 21:33     ` Ira Weiny
2022-05-10 22:08       ` Kees Cook [this message]
2022-05-10 22:26         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-05-11  3:15           ` Kees Cook
2022-05-11 17:59             ` Ira Weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 15/44] mm/pkeys: Introduce pks_set_noaccess() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 16/44] mm/pkeys: Introduce PKS fault callbacks ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 17/44] x86/entry: Add auxiliary pt_regs space ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 18/44] entry: Pass pt_regs to irqentry_exit_cond_resched() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 19/44] entry: Add calls for save/restore auxiliary pt_regs ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 20/44] x86/entry: Define arch_{save|restore}_auxiliary_pt_regs() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 21/44] x86/pkeys: Preserve PKRS MSR across exceptions ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 22/44] x86/fault: Print PKS MSR on fault ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 23/44] mm/pkeys: Introduce pks_update_exception() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 24/44] mm/pkeys: Add pks_available() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 25/44] memremap_pages: Add Kconfig for DEVMAP_ACCESS_PROTECTION ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 26/44] memremap_pages: Introduce pgmap_protection_available() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 27/44] memremap_pages: Introduce a PGMAP_PROTECTION flag ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 28/44] memremap_pages: Introduce devmap_protected() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 29/44] memremap_pages: Reserve a PKS pkey for eventual use by PMEM ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 30/44] memremap_pages: Set PKS pkey in PTEs if requested ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 31/44] memremap_pages: Define pgmap_set_{readwrite|noaccess}() calls ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 32/44] memremap_pages: Add memremap.pks_fault_mode ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 33/44] kmap: Make kmap work for devmap protected pages ira.weiny
2022-04-28 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-05-12  1:25     ` Ira Weiny
2022-05-17 22:46       ` Ira Weiny
2022-05-18  7:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-05-19 20:29           ` Ira Weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 34/44] dax: Stray access protection for dax_direct_access() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 35/44] nvdimm/pmem: Enable stray access protection ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 36/44] devdax: " ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 37/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, add initial test code ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 38/44] x86/selftests: Add test_pks ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 39/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, add a fault call back ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 40/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, add pks_set_*() tests ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 41/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, test context switching ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 42/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, Add exception test ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 43/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, test pks_update_exception() ira.weiny
2022-04-19 17:06 ` [PATCH V10 44/44] mm/pkeys: PKS testing, add test for all keys ira.weiny

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