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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>
Cc: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/4] mm/slub: only zero the requested size of buffer for kzalloc
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:15:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202209261305.CF6ED6EEC@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+fCnZfSv98uvxop7YN_L-F=WNVkb5rcwa6Nmf5yN-59p8Sr4Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 09:11:24PM +0200, Andrey Konovalov wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 8:54 AM Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> 
> Hi Feng,
> 
> > kzalloc/kmalloc will round up the request size to a fixed size
> > (mostly power of 2), so the allocated memory could be more than
> > requested. Currently kzalloc family APIs will zero all the
> > allocated memory.
> >
> > To detect out-of-bound usage of the extra allocated memory, only
> > zero the requested part, so that sanity check could be added to
> > the extra space later.
> 
> I still don't like the idea of only zeroing the requested memory and
> not the whole object. Considering potential info-leak vulnerabilities.

I really really do not like reducing the zeroing size. We're trying to
be proactive against _flaws_, which means that when there's a memory
over-read (or uninitialized use), suddenly the scope of the exposure (or
control) is wider/looser.

Imagine the (unfortunately very common) case of use-after-free attacks,
which leverage type confusion: some object is located in kmalloc-128
because it's 126 bytes. That slot gets freed and reallocated to, say, a
97 byte object going through kzalloc() or zero-on-init. With this patch
the bytes above the 97 don't get zeroed, and the stale data from the
prior 126 byte object say there happily to be used again later through
a dangling pointer, or whatever. Without the proposed patch, the entire
128 bytes is wiped, which makes stale data re-use more difficult.

> > Performance wise, smaller zeroing length also brings shorter
> > execution time, as shown from test data on various server/desktop
> > platforms.

For these cases, I think a much better solution is to provide those
sensitive allocations their own dedicated kmem_cache.

> >
> > For kzalloc users who will call ksize() later and utilize this
> > extra space, please be aware that the space is not zeroed any
> > more.
> 
> CC Kees

Thanks! Well, the good news is that ksize() side-effects is hopefully
going to vanish soon, but my objections about stale memory remain.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-26 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-13  6:54 [PATCH v6 0/4] mm/slub: some debug enhancements for kmalloc Feng Tang
2022-09-13  6:54 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] mm/slub: enable debugging memory wasting of kmalloc Feng Tang
2022-09-23 11:43   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-09-24  7:08     ` Feng Tang
2022-10-30 19:23   ` John Thomson
2022-10-30 21:30     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-10-31  2:36       ` Feng Tang
2022-10-31 10:05         ` John Thomson
2022-10-31 11:36           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-10-31 11:42           ` Feng Tang
2022-11-01  0:18             ` John Thomson
2022-11-01  2:41               ` John Thomson
2022-11-01  7:57               ` Feng Tang
2022-11-01  9:20                 ` John Thomson
2022-11-01  9:31                   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-01 10:33                     ` John Thomson
2022-11-01 10:42                       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-01 13:55                         ` Feng Tang
2022-11-01 19:39                           ` John Thomson
2022-11-02  6:08                             ` Feng Tang
2022-11-02  7:16                               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-03  7:18                                 ` Feng Tang
2022-11-03  7:45                                   ` John Thomson
2022-11-03  8:16                                     ` Feng Tang
2022-11-02  8:22                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-03  5:54                         ` Feng Tang
2022-11-03  8:33                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-03 14:16                             ` Feng Tang
2022-11-03 14:36                               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-03 16:57                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-03 17:35                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-04  3:52                                     ` Feng Tang
2022-09-13  6:54 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] mm/slub: only zero the requested size of buffer for kzalloc Feng Tang
2022-09-26 19:11   ` Andrey Konovalov
2022-09-26 20:15     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2022-09-27  1:22       ` Feng Tang
2022-09-27  2:42     ` Feng Tang
2022-10-13 14:00       ` Andrey Konovalov
2022-10-14  5:59         ` Feng Tang
2022-09-13  6:54 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] mm: kasan: Add free_meta size info in struct kasan_cache Feng Tang
2022-09-20 19:20   ` Andrey Konovalov
2022-09-21 12:02     ` Feng Tang
2022-09-24 18:05       ` Andrey Konovalov
2022-09-25 11:26         ` Feng Tang
2022-09-25 16:31           ` Andrey Konovalov
2022-09-27  3:03             ` Feng Tang
2022-09-13  6:54 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] mm/slub: extend redzone check to extra allocated kmalloc space than requested Feng Tang
2022-09-13  8:53   ` Hyeonggon Yoo

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