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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Shannon Nelson <shnelson@amd.com>
Cc: Shannon Nelson <snelson@pensando.io>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, mst@redhat.com,
	jasowang@redhat.com, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	drivers@pensando.io
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 08/19] pds_core: initial VF configuration
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:54:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221128175448.3723f5ee@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51330a32-1fa1-cc0f-e06e-b4ac351cb820@amd.com>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:08:28 -0800 Shannon Nelson wrote:
> > Don't even start with the "our device is simple and only needs
> > the legacy API" line of arguing :/  
> 
> I'm not sure what else to say here - yes, we have a fancy and complex 
> piece of hardware plugged into the PCI slot, but the device that shows 
> up on the PCI bus is a very constrained model that doesn't know anything 
> about switchdev kinds of things.

Today it is, but I presume it's all FW underneath. So a year from now
you'll be back asking for extensions because FW devs added features.

> >> The device model presented to the host is a simple PF with VFs, not a
> >> SmartNIC, thus the pds_core driver sets up a simple PF netdev
> >> "representor" for using the existing VF control API: easy to use,
> >> everyone knows how to use it, keeps code simple.
> >>
> >> I suppose we could have the PF create a representor netdev for each
> >> individual VF to set mac address and read stats, but that seems  
> > 
> > Oh, so the "representor" you mention in the cover letter is for the PF?  
> 
> Yes, a PF representor simply so we can get access to the .ndo_set_vf_xxx 
> interfaces.  There is no network traffic running through the PF.

In that case not only have you come up with your own name for 
a SmartNIC, you also managed to misuse one of our existing terms 
in your own way! It can't pass any traffic it's just a dummy to hook
the legacy vf ndos to. It's the opposite of what a repr is.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-29  1:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-18 22:56 [RFC PATCH net-next 00/19] pds core and vdpa drivers Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 01/19] pds_core: initial framework for pds_core driver Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 02/19] pds_core: add devcmd device interfaces Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 03/19] pds_core: health timer and workqueue Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 04/19] pds_core: set up device and adminq Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 05/19] pds_core: Add adminq processing and commands Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 06/19] pds_core: add FW update feature to devlink Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 18:27   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-28 22:25     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 23:33       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-28 23:45         ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-29  0:18           ` Keller, Jacob E
2022-11-29  0:18             ` Keller, Jacob E
2022-11-29  0:13         ` Keller, Jacob E
2022-11-29  0:13           ` Keller, Jacob E
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 07/19] pds_core: set up the VIF definitions and defaults Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 08/19] pds_core: initial VF configuration Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 18:28   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-28 22:25     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 23:37       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-29  0:37         ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-29  0:55           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-29  1:08             ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-29  1:54               ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2022-11-29 17:57                 ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-30  2:02                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-01  0:12                     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-12-01  3:45                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-01 19:19                         ` Shannon Nelson
2022-12-01 22:29                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 09/19] pds_core: add auxiliary_bus devices Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 10/19] pds_core: devlink params for enabling VIF support Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 18:29   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-28 22:26     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 22:57       ` Andrew Lunn
2022-11-28 22:57         ` Andrew Lunn
2022-11-28 23:07         ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-28 23:29           ` Andrew Lunn
2022-11-28 23:29             ` Andrew Lunn
2022-11-28 23:39             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-29  9:00               ` Leon Romanovsky
2022-11-29  9:00                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2022-11-29  9:13               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-29  9:13                 ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-29 17:16                 ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 11/19] pds_core: add the aux client API Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 12/19] pds_core: publish events to the clients Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 13/19] pds_core: Kconfig and pds_core.rst Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 14/19] pds_vdpa: Add new PCI VF device for PDS vDPA services Shannon Nelson
2022-11-22  3:53   ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  3:53     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-29 22:24     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 15/19] pds_vdpa: virtio bar setup for vdpa Shannon Nelson
2022-11-22  3:32   ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  3:32     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  6:36     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  6:36       ` Jason Wang
2022-11-29 23:02       ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 16/19] pds_vdpa: add auxiliary driver Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 17/19] pds_vdpa: add vdpa config client commands Shannon Nelson
2022-11-22  6:32   ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  6:32     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-29 23:16     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 18/19] pds_vdpa: add support for vdpa and vdpamgmt interfaces Shannon Nelson
2022-11-22  6:32   ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  6:32     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-30  0:11     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-12-05  7:40       ` Jason Wang
2022-12-05  7:40         ` Jason Wang
2022-11-18 22:56 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 19/19] pds_vdpa: add Kconfig entry and pds_vdpa.rst Shannon Nelson
2022-11-22  6:35   ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22  6:35     ` Jason Wang
2022-11-22 22:33     ` Shannon Nelson
2022-11-30  0:13     ` Shannon Nelson

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