From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v6 1/6] riscv: mm: dma-noncoherent: Switch using function pointers for cache management
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:27:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230122072759.GA3703@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a64b0b5-0ebc-43a5-a3d8-483a845a0b5e@app.fastmail.com>
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 08:30:23PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > That feels really odd, and might be worth a bug report to the
> > PPC maintainers.
>
> Right, my first step would be to change all of the current
> outliers to use the same set of operations where possible.
Sounds good.
> > I'd rather avoid multiple callbacks if we can. But maybe solve
> > the simple problem first and just pass the paddr and then
> > iterate from there.
>
> Ok, fair enough. This means we can't easily put the kmap_atomic()
> into common code for highmem, though the per-page loop would
> still work.
Yes. Given how messy many of the ops are I think one step at a time
is always good.
> I was thinking of using STATIC_CALL() as an optimization here, which
> I find easier to read and understand than alternatives. One advantage
> here is that this allows the actual cache operations to be declared
> locally in the architecture without letting drivers call them,
> but still update the common code to work without indirect branches.
>
> The main downside is that this is currently only optimized on
> powerpc and x86, both of which don't actually need CPU specific
> callbacks. ARC, ARM, and MIPS on the other hand already
> have indirect function pointers, RISC-V would likely benefit the
> most from either alternatives or static_call, as it already
> uses alternatives and has one implementation that is clearly
> preferred over the others.
For now I'd just keep doing direct calls into the arch code, just
for the lower level invalidate, writeback, invalidate+writeback
calls as that helps cementinc the logic of which of those to use
in well documented core code.
And I'm not really sure I'd like to go beyond that - making it too
easy pluggable will make people feel more comfortable doing stupid
things here. And yes, maybe that's personal because I've warned
the RISC-V people years ago that they'll need architectural
cache management instructions yesterday and the answer was that
no one is going to use them on modern CPUs. *sigh*
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
Prabhakar <prabhakar.csengg@gmail.com>,
"Conor.Dooley" <conor.dooley@microchip.com>,
"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
"Heiko Stübner" <heiko@sntech.de>, guoren <guoren@kernel.org>,
"Andrew Jones" <ajones@ventanamicro.com>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
"open list:RISC-V ARCHITECTURE" <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
"open list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
Linux-Renesas <linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
"Lad, Prabhakar" <prabhakar.mahadev-lad.rj@bp.renesas.com>,
"Philipp Tomsich" <philipp.tomsich@vrull.eu>,
"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
"Atish Patra" <atishp@rivosinc.com>,
"Anup Patel" <apatel@ventanamicro.com>,
"Tsukasa OI" <research_trasio@irq.a4lg.com>,
"Jisheng Zhang" <jszhang@kernel.org>,
"Mayuresh Chitale" <mchitale@ventanamicro.com>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v6 1/6] riscv: mm: dma-noncoherent: Switch using function pointers for cache management
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:27:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230122072759.GA3703@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a64b0b5-0ebc-43a5-a3d8-483a845a0b5e@app.fastmail.com>
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 08:30:23PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > That feels really odd, and might be worth a bug report to the
> > PPC maintainers.
>
> Right, my first step would be to change all of the current
> outliers to use the same set of operations where possible.
Sounds good.
> > I'd rather avoid multiple callbacks if we can. But maybe solve
> > the simple problem first and just pass the paddr and then
> > iterate from there.
>
> Ok, fair enough. This means we can't easily put the kmap_atomic()
> into common code for highmem, though the per-page loop would
> still work.
Yes. Given how messy many of the ops are I think one step at a time
is always good.
> I was thinking of using STATIC_CALL() as an optimization here, which
> I find easier to read and understand than alternatives. One advantage
> here is that this allows the actual cache operations to be declared
> locally in the architecture without letting drivers call them,
> but still update the common code to work without indirect branches.
>
> The main downside is that this is currently only optimized on
> powerpc and x86, both of which don't actually need CPU specific
> callbacks. ARC, ARM, and MIPS on the other hand already
> have indirect function pointers, RISC-V would likely benefit the
> most from either alternatives or static_call, as it already
> uses alternatives and has one implementation that is clearly
> preferred over the others.
For now I'd just keep doing direct calls into the arch code, just
for the lower level invalidate, writeback, invalidate+writeback
calls as that helps cementinc the logic of which of those to use
in well documented core code.
And I'm not really sure I'd like to go beyond that - making it too
easy pluggable will make people feel more comfortable doing stupid
things here. And yes, maybe that's personal because I've warned
the RISC-V people years ago that they'll need architectural
cache management instructions yesterday and the answer was that
no one is going to use them on modern CPUs. *sigh*
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-22 7:28 UTC|newest]
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2023-01-06 18:55 [PATCH v6 0/6] RISC-V non-coherent function pointer based cache management operations + non-coherent DMA support for AX45MP Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [RFC PATCH v6 1/6] riscv: mm: dma-noncoherent: Switch using function pointers for cache management Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 22:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-06 23:29 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 23:29 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 21:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-07 21:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-07 22:21 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 22:21 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-08 16:37 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-08 16:37 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 22:10 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-07 22:10 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-08 0:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-08 0:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-09 12:03 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-09 12:03 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-09 12:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-09 12:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-09 13:27 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-09 13:27 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-10 7:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-10 7:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-10 15:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-10 15:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-10 15:11 ` Will Deacon
2023-01-10 15:11 ` Will Deacon
2023-01-13 5:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-13 5:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-20 17:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-20 17:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-21 14:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-21 14:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-21 19:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-21 19:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-22 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2023-01-22 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-22 11:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-22 11:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-01-23 14:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-23 14:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-06 23:47 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 23:47 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 22:36 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-07 22:36 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] riscv: asm: vendorid_list: Add Andes Technology to the vendors list Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] riscv: errata: Add Andes alternative ports Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 21:44 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 21:44 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] dt-bindings: cache: r9a07g043f-l2-cache: Add DT binding documentation for L2 cache controller Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 21:53 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 21:53 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 20:43 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-07 20:43 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-09 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-09 12:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-01-09 13:14 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-09 13:14 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] cache: Add L2 cache management for Andes AX45MP RISC-V core Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-07 0:09 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 0:09 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-07 20:49 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-07 20:49 ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] soc: renesas: Kconfig: Select the required configs for RZ/Five SoC Prabhakar
2023-01-06 18:55 ` Prabhakar
2023-01-06 23:49 ` Conor Dooley
2023-01-06 23:49 ` Conor Dooley
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