From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: nbd@other.debian.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, libguestfs@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/6] spec: Recommend cap on NBD_REPLY_TYPE_BLOCK_STATUS length
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 16:17:40 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230303221740.pdwc6jtozstntih7@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f350f0ec-34b1-dca7-5bb0-344a6832f327@yandex-team.ru>
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:32:01PM +0300, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> On 11/15/22 01:46, Eric Blake wrote:
> > The spec was silent on how many extents a server could reply with.
> > However, both qemu and nbdkit (the two server implementations known to
> > have implemented the NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS extension) implement a hard
> > cap, and will truncate the amount of extents in a reply to avoid
> > sending a client a reply so large that the client would treat it as a
> > denial of service attack. Clients currently have no way during
> > negotiation to request such a limit of the server, so it is easier to
> > just document this as a restriction on viable server implementations
> > than to add yet another round of handshaking. Also, mentioning
> > amplification effects is worthwhile.
> >
> > When qemu first implemented NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS for the
> > base:allocation context (qemu commit e7b1948d51, Mar 2018), it behaved
> > as if NBD_CMD_FLAG_REQ_ONE were always passed by the client, and never
> > responded with more than one extent. Later, when adding its
> > qemu:dirty-bitmap:XYZ context extension (qemu commit 3d068aff16, Jun
> > 2018), it added a cap to 128k extents (1M+4 bytes), and that cap was
> > applied to base:allocation once qemu started sending multiple extents
> > for that context as well (qemu commit fb7afc797e, Jul 2018). Qemu
> > extents are never smaller than 512 bytes (other than an exception at
> > the end of a file whose size is not aligned to 512), but even so, a
> > request for just under 4G of block status could produce 8M extents,
> > resulting in a reply of 64M if it were not capped smaller.
> >
> > When nbdkit first implemented NBD_CMD_BLOCK_STATUS (nbdkit 4ca66f70a5,
> > Mar 2019), it did not impose any restriction on the number of extents
> > in the reply chunk. But because it allows extents as small as one
> > byte, it is easy to write a server that can amplify a client's request
> > of status over 1M of the image into a reply over 8M in size, and it
> > was very easy to demonstrate that a hard cap was needed to avoid
> > crashing clients or otherwise killing the connection (a bad server
> > impacting the client negatively). So nbdkit enforced a bound of 1M
> > extents (8M+4 bytes, nbdkit commit 6e0dc839ea, Jun 2019). [Unrelated
> > to this patch, but worth noting for history: nbdkit's situation also
> > has to deal with the fact that it is designed for plugin server
> > implementations; and not capping the number of extents in a reply also
> > posed a problem to nbdkit as the server, where a plugin could exhaust
> > memory and kill the server, unrelated to any size constraints enforced
> > by a client.]
> >
> > Since the limit chosen by these two implementations is different, and
> > since nbdkit has versions that were not limited, add this as a SHOULD
> > NOT instead of MUST NOT constraint on servers implementing block
> > status. It does not matter that qemu picked a smaller limit that it
> > truncates to, since we have already documented that the server may
> > truncate for other reasons (such as it being inefficient to collect
> > that many extents in the first place). But documenting the limit now
> > becomes even more important in the face of a future addition of 64-bit
> > requests, where a client's request is no longer bounded to 4G and
> > could thereby produce even more than 8M extents for the corner case
> > when every 512 bytes is a new extent, if it were not for this
> > recommendation.
>
> s-o-b line missed.
I'm not sure if the NBD project has a strict policy on including one,
but I don't mind adding it.
>
>
> Reviewed-by: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Vladimir
>
--
Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc. +1-919-301-3266
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-03 22:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-14 22:41 [cross-project PATCH v2] NBD 64-bit extensions Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] NBD spec changes for " Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] spec: Recommend cap on NBD_REPLY_TYPE_BLOCK_STATUS length Eric Blake
2022-12-16 19:32 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-03-03 22:17 ` Eric Blake [this message]
2023-03-05 8:41 ` Wouter Verhelst
2023-03-06 8:48 ` [Libguestfs] " Laszlo Ersek
2023-03-06 13:48 ` Nir Soffer
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] spec: Tweak description of maximum block size Eric Blake
2022-12-16 20:22 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-03-03 22:20 ` Eric Blake
2023-02-21 15:21 ` Wouter Verhelst
2023-03-03 22:26 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-05 8:45 ` Wouter Verhelst
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] spec: Add NBD_OPT_EXTENDED_HEADERS Eric Blake
2022-12-19 18:26 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-22 9:49 ` Wouter Verhelst
2023-03-03 22:36 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-05 8:49 ` Wouter Verhelst
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] spec: Allow 64-bit block status results Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] spec: Introduce NBD_FLAG_BLOCK_STATUS_PAYLOAD Eric Blake
2023-02-22 10:05 ` Wouter Verhelst
2023-03-03 22:40 ` Eric Blake
2023-03-05 8:50 ` Wouter Verhelst
2022-11-14 22:46 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] RFC: spec: Introduce NBD_REPLY_TYPE_OFFSET_HOLE_EXT Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] qemu patches for 64-bit NBD extensions Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] nbd/client: Add safety check on chunk payload length Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] nbd/server: Prepare for alternate-size headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] nbd: Prepare for 64-bit request effect lengths Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] nbd: Add types for extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] nbd/server: Refactor handling of request payload Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] nbd/server: Refactor to pass full request around Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] nbd/server: Initial support for extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] nbd/server: Support 64-bit block status Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] nbd/client: Initial support for extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] nbd/client: Accept 64-bit block status chunks Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] nbd/client: Request extended headers during negotiation Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] nbd/server: Prepare for per-request filtering of BLOCK_STATUS Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] nbd/server: Add FLAG_PAYLOAD support to CMD_BLOCK_STATUS Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] RFC: nbd/client: Accept 64-bit hole chunks Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:48 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] RFC: nbd/server: Send 64-bit hole chunk Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 00/23] libnbd 64-bit NBD extensions Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 01/23] block_status: Refactor array storage Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 02/23] internal: Refactor layout of replies in sbuf Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 03/23] protocol: Add definitions for extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 04/23] states: Prepare to send 64-bit requests Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 05/23] states: Prepare to receive 64-bit replies Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 06/23] states: Break deadlock if server goofs on extended replies Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 07/23] generator: Add struct nbd_extent in prep for 64-bit extents Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 08/23] block_status: Track 64-bit extents internally Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 09/23] block_status: Accept 64-bit extents during block status Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 10/23] api: Add [aio_]nbd_block_status_64 Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 11/23] api: Add several functions for controlling extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 12/23] copy: Update nbdcopy to use 64-bit block status Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 13/23] dump: Update nbddump " Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 14/23] info: Expose extended-headers support through nbdinfo Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 15/23] info: Update nbdinfo --map to use 64-bit block status Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 16/23] examples: Update copy-libev " Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 17/23] ocaml: Add example for 64-bit extents Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 18/23] generator: Actually request extended headers Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 19/23] api: Add nbd_[aio_]opt_extended_headers() Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 20/23] interop: Add test of 64-bit block status Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 21/23] api: Add nbd_can_block_status_payload() Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 22/23] api: Add nbd_[aio_]block_status_filter() Eric Blake
2022-11-14 22:51 ` [libnbd PATCH v2 23/23] RFC: pread: Accept 64-bit holes Eric Blake
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