From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1px5df-0007mK-Ou for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2023 08:43:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1px5dd-0007lq-Rg for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2023 08:43:17 -0400 Received: from cheddar.halon.org.uk ([93.93.131.118]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1px5db-0001cU-M9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2023 08:43:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=einval.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version :References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject: Content-ID:Content-Description:X-Debbugs-Cc; bh=AyinlK9fIDpUcYdFxHBWuDDMfP3e7Gszsx2Dja7J9YE=; b=KpRyJYrHPLKmIvtj1dMUq3xyEQ vzGEQrccNXkjQygHEz19pc/If2NFaE9EfcCu1NMYpE9pZPZDu56AjBbTW8tLXK2V43LA/mN3wNFmW /9U48cvDB5c+bE//AfF65aa7V2guWE/wRXfZRCsoz6R2uhchgT4QtK0GWvDdhuG0SPtkBSIKpid8Q o86mv5QZ8znakhAbWCaniCqhICkIGQlvoBTok41n++m8Kh8YV+KNzAv4/4t4sRiwcS9O/98gh75KP waNKsWxFjNl8zkdfz1C7I+YSppMrYuvIKennYZ4pW9YwmsZVR6ncV7xhZSRXx50rJ+y9Zs0OjRaHs ItAQOfaQ==; Received: from bsmtp by cheddar.halon.org.uk with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1px5dW-0006Us-UF; Thu, 11 May 2023 13:43:10 +0100 Received: from steve by tack.local with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1px5ck-00836f-FY; Thu, 11 May 2023 13:42:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 13:42:22 +0100 From: Steve McIntyre To: The development of GNU GRUB Cc: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , dkiper@net-space.pl Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/6] ia64: Remove support Message-ID: <20230511124215.GH5913@tack.einval.com> References: <20230511120640.3518732-1-ardb@kernel.org> <20230511120640.3518732-2-ardb@kernel.org> <8b8ef9b94cb8ce54e24bb2d1954fa35af11636f4.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-attached: none User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=93.93.131.118; envelope-from=steve@einval.com; helo=cheddar.halon.org.uk X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 12:43:18 -0000 On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 02:17:57PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote: >On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:14, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 14:06 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote: >> > Itanium IA-64 support is obsolete, and implements its own flavor of EFI >> > boot that deviates from other architectures. Given that IA64 is unused >> > and unmaintained, it makes no sense to pretend that the EFI changes we >> > are making are tested or supported on IA64, so let's just get rid of it. >> >> But I just recently tested GRUB from git on IA64 and it worked without >> any problems. We're using GRUB to boot Debian on IA64. >> > >IA-64 is a dead platform, and a waste of electricity. > >Feel free to keep using it, but please stop demanding that our people >keep wasting their time on it. If you want to support it in Debian, >you can carry it as a downstream patch and shoulder the maintenance >burden. And I'm not convinced that as the Debian maintainer I care enough. At some point old machines and old architectures die, it's a fact of life. If people insist on keeping their old machines alive for the sake of it, then at some point they also will have to accept staying on old software too. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com “Changing random stuff until your program works is bad coding practice, but if you do it fast enough it’s Machine Learning.” -- https://twitter.com/manisha72617183