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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
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	yu.c.chen@intel.com, youssefesmat@chromium.org,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, efault@gmx.de, tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/15] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 09:30:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231011073001.GI14330@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75adcb1a-c02f-4d7c-bd9c-ab4f403af3e8@bytedance.com>

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:15:28PM +0800, Abel Wu wrote:
> On 5/31/23 7:58 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > +/*
> > + * Compute virtual time from the per-task service numbers:
> > + *
> > + * Fair schedulers conserve lag:
> > + *
> > + *   \Sum lag_i = 0
> > + *
> > + * Where lag_i is given by:
> > + *
> > + *   lag_i = S - s_i = w_i * (V - v_i)
> 
> Since the ideal service time S is task-specific, should this be:
> 
> 	lag_i = S_i - s_i = w_i * (V - v_i)

It is not, S is the same for all tasks. Remember, the base form is a
differential equation and all tasks progress at the same time at dt/w_i
while S progresses at dt/W.

Infinitesimals are awesome, just not feasible in a discrete system like
a time-sharing computer.

> > + *
> > + * Where S is the ideal service time and V is it's virtual time counterpart.
> > + * Therefore:
> > + *
> > + *   \Sum lag_i = 0
> > + *   \Sum w_i * (V - v_i) = 0
> > + *   \Sum w_i * V - w_i * v_i = 0
> > + *
> > + * From which we can solve an expression for V in v_i (which we have in
> > + * se->vruntime):
> > + *
> > + *       \Sum v_i * w_i   \Sum v_i * w_i
> > + *   V = -------------- = --------------
> > + *          \Sum w_i            W
> > + *
> > + * Specifically, this is the weighted average of all entity virtual runtimes.
> > + *
> > + * [[ NOTE: this is only equal to the ideal scheduler under the condition
> > + *          that join/leave operations happen at lag_i = 0, otherwise the
> > + *          virtual time has non-continguous motion equivalent to:
> > + *
> > + *	      V +-= lag_i / W
> > + *
> > + *	    Also see the comment in place_entity() that deals with this. ]]
> > + *
> > + * However, since v_i is u64, and the multiplcation could easily overflow
> > + * transform it into a relative form that uses smaller quantities:
> > + *
> > + * Substitute: v_i == (v_i - v0) + v0
> > + *
> > + *     \Sum ((v_i - v0) + v0) * w_i   \Sum (v_i - v0) * w_i
> > + * V = ---------------------------- = --------------------- + v0
> > + *                  W                            W
> > + *
> > + * Which we track using:
> > + *
> > + *                    v0 := cfs_rq->min_vruntime
> > + * \Sum (v_i - v0) * w_i := cfs_rq->avg_vruntime
> 
> IMHO 'sum_runtime' would be more appropriate? Since it actually is
> the summed real time rather than virtual time. And also 'sum_load'
> instead of 'avg_load'.

Given we subtract v0 (min_vruntime) and play games with fixed point
math, I don't think it makes sense to change this name. The purpose is
to compute the weighted average of things, lets keep the current name.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-11  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-31 11:58 [PATCH 00/15] sched: EEVDF and latency-nice and/or slice-attr Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 01/15] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 13:51   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-02 14:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-05  7:18       ` Vincent Guittot
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Add cfs_rq::avg_vruntime tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11  4:15   ` [PATCH 01/15] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime Abel Wu
2023-10-11  7:30     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-10-11  8:30       ` Abel Wu
2023-10-11  9:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 10:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 13:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 02/15] sched/fair: Remove START_DEBIT Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Remove sched_feat(START_DEBIT) tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 03/15] sched/fair: Add lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 12:00   ` [PATCH 03/15] " Abel Wu
2023-10-11 13:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-12  7:04       ` Abel Wu
2023-10-13  7:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13  8:14           ` Abel Wu
2023-10-12 19:15   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-12 22:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13 16:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-14  8:08         ` Mike Galbraith
2023-10-13 14:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 10:07   ` Breno Leitao
2025-02-07 11:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 12:25       ` Breno Leitao
2025-02-07 12:30         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-07 13:22           ` Breno Leitao
2025-02-07 13:38       ` Breno Leitao
2025-02-07 13:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2025-02-14 17:21       ` Breno Leitao
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 04/15] rbtree: Add rb_add_augmented_cached() helper Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 05/15] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF-like scheduling policy tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 21:40   ` [PATCH 05/15] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy Benjamin Segall
2023-10-02 17:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11  4:14     ` Abel Wu
2023-10-11  7:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 11:49         ` Abel Wu
2023-09-30  0:09   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Benjamin Segall
2023-10-03 10:42     ` [tip: sched/urgent] sched/fair: Fix pick_eevdf() tip-bot2 for Benjamin Segall
2023-10-04 20:39     ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Marek Szyprowski
2023-10-09  7:53     ` [tip: sched/urgent] sched/eevdf: Fix pick_eevdf() tip-bot2 for Benjamin Segall
2023-10-11 12:12     ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Abel Wu
2023-10-11 13:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-12 10:04         ` Abel Wu
2023-10-11 21:01       ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-12 10:25         ` Abel Wu
2023-10-12 17:51           ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-13  3:46             ` Abel Wu
2023-10-13 16:51               ` Benjamin Segall
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 06/15] sched: Commit to lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 07/15] sched/smp: Use lag to simplify cross-runqueue placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 15:32   ` [PATCH 07/15] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-13  9:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04  1:17   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Preserve PLACE_DEADLINE_INITIAL deadline Daniel Jordan
2023-10-04 13:09     ` [PATCH v2] " Daniel Jordan
2023-10-04 15:46       ` Chen Yu
2023-10-06 16:31         ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-12  4:48       ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-10-05  5:56     ` [PATCH] " K Prateek Nayak
2023-10-06 16:35       ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-06 16:48   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Always update_curr() before placing at enqueue Daniel Jordan
2023-10-06 19:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-18  0:43       ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-16  5:39     ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 08/15] sched: Commit to EEVDF Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-16 21:23   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-06-22 12:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-06-22 13:11       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 09/15] sched/debug: Rename min_granularity to base_slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Rename sysctl_sched_min_granularity to sysctl_sched_base_slice tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 10/15] sched/fair: Propagate enqueue flags into place_entity() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 11/15] sched/eevdf: Better handle mixed slice length Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 13:45   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-02 15:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-10  6:34   ` Chen Yu
2023-06-10 11:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/15] sched: Introduce latency-nice as a per-task attribute Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/15] sched/fair: Implement latency-nice Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-06 14:54   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-08 10:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-08 12:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 23:24   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/15] sched/fair: Add sched group latency support Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/15] sched/eevdf: Use sched_attr::sched_runtime to set request/slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 13:55   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-08 11:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-24  0:52 ` [PATCH 00/15] sched: EEVDF and latency-nice and/or slice-attr Daniel Jordan
2023-09-06 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 16:54     ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-02 15:55       ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-02 18:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 12:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 14:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 14:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 18:23           ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-06  0:36             ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-10  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-07 22:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-09 14:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-10  0:51             ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-10  8:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-16 16:50               ` Peter Zijlstra

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