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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 08/17] iommufd: Always setup MSI and anforce cc on kernel-managed domains
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 10:55:01 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231020135501.GG3952@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB5276A64DA68586AEFB6561148CDBA@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 02:43:58AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:

> What we want to prevent is attaching a non-CC device to a CC domain
> or upgrade a non-CC domain to CC since in both case the non-CC
> device will be broken due to incompatible page table format.

[..]

> Who cares about such consistency? sure the result is different due to order:
> 
> 1) creating hwpt for dev1 (non-CC) then later attaching hwpt to
>     dev2 (CC) will succeed;
> 
> 2) creating hwpt for dev2 (CC) then later attaching hwpt to
>     dev1 (non-CC) will fail then the user should create a new hwpt
>     for dev1;

AH... So really what the Intel driver wants is not upgrade to CC but
*downgrade* from CC.

non-CC is the type that is universally applicable, so if we come
across a non-CC capable device the proper/optimal thing is to degrade
the HWPT and re-use it, not allocate a new HWPT.

So the whole thing is upside down.

As changing the IOPTEs in flight seems hard, and I don't want to see
the Intel driver get slowed down to accomodate this, I think you are
right to say this should be a creation time property only.

I still think userspace should be able to select it so it can minimize
the number of HWPTs required.

> But the user shouldn't assume such explicit consistency since it's not
> defined in our uAPI. All we defined is that the attaching may
> fail due to incompatibility for whatever reason then the user can
> always try creating a new hwpt for the to-be-attached device. From
> this regard I don't see providing consistency of result is
> necessary. 😊

Anyhow, OK, lets add a comment summarizing your points and remove the
cc upgrade at attach time (sorry Nicolin/Yi!)

It is easy to add a HWPT flag for this later if someone wants to
optimize it.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-20 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-21  7:51 [PATCH v4 00/17] iommufd: Add nesting infrastructure Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] iommu: Add hwpt_type with user_data for domain_alloc_user op Yi Liu
2023-09-21 12:10   ` Baolu Lu
2023-09-21 20:58     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-25 13:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 18:17         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-25  6:22     ` Yi Liu
2023-09-25  8:01       ` Baolu Lu
2023-09-25 13:00         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 12:12   ` Baolu Lu
2023-09-21 16:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  9:47       ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-25  6:17         ` Yi Liu
2023-09-25 12:59           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26  6:37         ` Tian, Kevin
2023-09-26 16:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27  1:08             ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-07  9:38               ` Yi Liu
2023-09-26  6:56   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-12  9:12     ` Yi Liu
2023-10-13 11:42       ` Yi Liu
2023-10-13 22:22         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-10 16:58   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12  9:11     ` Yi Liu
2023-10-12 13:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13  4:33         ` Yi Liu
2023-10-13 14:04           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13 17:56             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-16  3:28               ` Yi Liu
2023-10-16 11:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-16 18:17                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-17  8:51                     ` Yi Liu
2023-10-17  9:28                       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-18  6:12                         ` Yi Liu
2023-10-18 16:37                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-18 16:51                       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-13  0:34     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-13 14:03       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] iommu: Add nested domain support Yi Liu
2023-10-10 17:21   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12  9:13     ` Yi Liu
2023-10-14  0:47       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] iommufd: Unite all kernel-managed members into a struct Yi Liu
2023-09-26  7:46   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-07 10:08   ` Yan Zhao
2023-10-09  4:13     ` Yi Liu
2023-10-09  5:13       ` Yan Zhao
2023-10-10  3:26         ` Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] iommufd: Pass in hwpt_type/user_data to iommufd_hw_pagetable_alloc() Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] iommufd: Separate kernel-managed HWPT alloc/destroy/abort functions Yi Liu
2023-09-26  7:57   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-10 18:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12 19:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13  7:13       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-13 14:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-16  8:26           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-16 12:02             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] iommufd: Add shared alloc_fn function pointer and mutex pointer Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] iommufd: Add user-managed hw_pagetable support Yi Liu
2023-09-26  8:14   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-14  0:08     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] iommufd: Always setup MSI and anforce cc on kernel-managed domains Yi Liu
2023-09-26  8:16   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-14  0:44     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-16  8:48       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-16 11:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-17  8:52           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-17 15:53             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-17 19:58               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-18 16:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-19  1:56                   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-19 23:53                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-20  2:43                       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-20 13:55                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-10-20 18:59                           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-21 16:38                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-23  0:18                               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-23  2:53                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2023-10-23 18:42                                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-23 13:59                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-23 18:49                                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-18  2:32             ` Baolu Lu
2023-10-17  9:05           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] iommufd/device: Add helpers to enforce/remove device reserved regions Yi Liu
2023-10-07  7:20   ` Yan Zhao
2023-10-07  9:27     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] iommufd: Support IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC allocation with user data Yi Liu
2023-10-13 15:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-13 20:58     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-14  0:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-14  0:51         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-16  7:03           ` Yi Liu
2023-10-16 11:59             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-16 18:44               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-10-17  8:55                 ` Yi Liu
2023-10-17 15:50                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-17 19:32                     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] iommufd: Add IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] iommufd/selftest: Rework TEST_LENGTH to test min_size explicitly Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] iommufd/selftest: Add nested domain allocation for mock domain Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] iommufd/selftest: Add coverage for IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC with nested HWPTs Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] iommufd/selftest: Add mock_domain_cache_invalidate_user support Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] iommufd/selftest: Add IOMMU_TEST_OP_MD_CHECK_IOTLB test op Yi Liu
2023-09-21  7:51 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] iommufd/selftest: Add coverage for IOMMU_HWPT_INVALIDATE ioctl Yi Liu
2023-10-10 16:53 ` [PATCH v4 00/17] iommufd: Add nesting infrastructure Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-12  8:45   ` Yi Liu

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