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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, sagi@grimberg.me,
	jejb@linux.ibm.com, martin.petersen@oracle.com,
	djwong@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org,
	chandan.babu@oracle.com, dchinner@redhat.com,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, jbongio@google.com,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Alan Adamson <alan.adamson@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 21/21] nvme: Support atomic writes
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:29:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231110062944.GC26516@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <61b25fe8-22ae-c299-3225-ca835b337d41@oracle.com>

On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 07:08:40PM +0000, John Garry wrote:
>>> send a write that crossed the atomic write limit, but the drive wouldn't
>>> guarantee that it was atomic except at the atomic write boundary.
>>> Eg with an AWUN of 16kB, you could send five 16kB writes, combine them
>>> into a single 80kB write, and if the power failed midway through, the
>>> drive would guarantee that it had written 0, 16kB, 32kB, 48kB, 64kB or
>>> all 80kB.  Not necessarily in order; it might have written bytes 16-32kB,
>>> 64-80kB and not the other three.
>
> I didn't think that there are any atomic write guarantees at all if we ever 
> exceed AWUN or AWUPF or cross the atomic write boundary (if any).

You're quoting a few mails before me, but I agree.

>> I can see some use for that, but I'm really worried that debugging
>> problems in the I/O merging and splitting will be absolute hell.
>
> Even if bios were merged for NVMe the total request length still should not 
> exceed AWUPF. However a check can be added to ensure this for a submitted 
> atomic write request.

Yes.

> As for splitting, it is not permitted for atomic writes and only a single 
> bio is permitted to be created per write. Are more integrity checks 
> required?

I'm more worried about the problem where we accidentally add a split.
The whole bio merge/split path is convoluted and we had plenty of
bugs in the past by not looking at all the correct flags or opcodes.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-10  6:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-29 10:27 [PATCH 00/21] block atomic writes John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 01/21] block: Add atomic write operations to request_queue limits John Garry
2023-10-03 16:40   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04  3:00     ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 17:28       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 18:26         ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 21:00       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-05  8:22         ` John Garry
2023-11-09 15:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 17:01     ` John Garry
2023-11-10  6:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-10  9:04         ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 02/21] block: Limit atomic writes according to bio and queue limits John Garry
2023-11-09 15:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 17:41     ` John Garry
2023-12-04  3:19   ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04  3:55     ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04  9:35       ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 03/21] fs/bdev: Add atomic write support info to statx John Garry
2023-09-29 22:49   ` Eric Biggers
2023-10-01 13:23     ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02  9:51       ` John Garry
2023-10-02 18:39         ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-03  0:28           ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-11-09 15:15             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-03  1:51         ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03  2:57           ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-03  7:23             ` John Garry
2023-10-03 15:46               ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-04 14:19                 ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 04/21] fs: Add RWF_ATOMIC and IOCB_ATOMIC flags for atomic write support John Garry
2023-10-06 18:15   ` Jeremy Bongio
2023-10-09 22:02     ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 05/21] block: Add REQ_ATOMIC flag John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 06/21] block: Pass blk_queue_get_max_sectors() a request pointer John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 07/21] block: Limit atomic write IO size according to atomic_write_max_sectors John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 08/21] block: Error an attempt to split an atomic write bio John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 09/21] block: Add checks to merging of atomic writes John Garry
2023-09-30 13:40   ` kernel test robot
2023-10-02 22:50     ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-10-04 11:40       ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 10/21] block: Add fops atomic write support John Garry
2023-09-29 17:51   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 10:10     ` John Garry
2023-10-02 19:12       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-03  0:48         ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-03 16:55           ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04  2:53             ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-04 17:22               ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 18:17                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-05 17:10                   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-05 22:36                     ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-05 22:58                       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-06  4:31                         ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-06 17:22                           ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-07  1:21                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-03  8:37         ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:45           ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04  9:14             ` John Garry
2023-10-04 17:34               ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-04 21:59                 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-04  2:30   ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04  9:27     ` John Garry
2023-12-04 12:18       ` Ming Lei
2023-12-04 13:13         ` John Garry
2023-12-05  1:45           ` Ming Lei
2023-12-05 10:49             ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 11/21] fs: xfs: Don't use low-space allocator for alignment > 1 John Garry
2023-10-03  1:16   ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03  3:00     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-03  4:34       ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:22       ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 12/21] fs: xfs: Introduce FORCEALIGN inode flag John Garry
2023-11-09 15:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 13/21] fs: xfs: Make file data allocations observe the 'forcealign' flag John Garry
2023-10-03  1:42   ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:13     ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 14/21] fs: xfs: Enable file data forcealign feature John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 15/21] fs: xfs: Support atomic write for statx John Garry
2023-10-03  3:32   ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 10:56     ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:10       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 16/21] fs: iomap: Atomic write support John Garry
2023-10-03  4:24   ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-03 12:55     ` John Garry
2023-10-03 16:47     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-04  1:16       ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-24 12:59     ` John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 17/21] fs: xfs: iomap atomic " John Garry
2023-11-09 15:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-10 10:42     ` John Garry
2023-11-28  8:56       ` John Garry
2023-11-28 13:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-28 17:42           ` John Garry
2023-11-29  2:45             ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-12-04 13:45             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-04 15:19               ` John Garry
2023-12-04 15:39                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-04 18:06                   ` John Garry
2023-12-05  4:55                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-05 11:09                   ` John Garry
2023-12-05 13:59                 ` Ming Lei
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 18/21] scsi: sd: Support reading atomic properties from block limits VPD John Garry
2023-09-29 17:54   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 11:27     ` John Garry
2023-10-06 17:52       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-06 23:48         ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 19/21] scsi: sd: Add WRITE_ATOMIC_16 support John Garry
2023-09-29 17:59   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-10-02 11:36     ` John Garry
2023-10-02 19:21       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 20/21] scsi: scsi_debug: Atomic write support John Garry
2023-09-29 10:27 ` [PATCH 21/21] nvme: Support atomic writes John Garry
2023-10-04 11:39   ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-10-05 10:24     ` John Garry
2023-10-05 13:32       ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-10-05 15:05         ` John Garry
2023-11-09 15:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 15:42     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-09 15:46       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-11-09 19:08         ` John Garry
2023-11-10  6:29           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2023-11-10  8:44             ` John Garry
2023-09-29 14:58 ` [PATCH 00/21] block " Bart Van Assche

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