From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
Wedson Almeida Filho <walmeida@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/19] Rust abstractions for VFS
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 20:41:31 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240103204131.GL1674809@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ulideurkqeiqztorsuvhynsrx2np7ohbmnx5nrddzl7zze7qpu@cg27bqalj7i5>
On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 02:14:34PM -0500, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> We don't need to copy the C interface as is; we can use this as an
> opportunity to incrementally design a new API that will obviously take
> lessons from the C API (since it's wrapping it), but it doesn't have to
> do things the same and it doesn't have to do everything all at once.
>
> Anyways, like you alluded to the C side is a bit of a mess w.r.t. what's
> in a_ops vs. i_ops, and cleaning that up on the C side is a giant hassle
> because then you have to fix _everything_ that implements or consumes
> those interfaces at the same time.
>
> So instead, it would seem easier to me to do the cleaner version on the
> Rust side, and then once we know what that looks like, maybe we update
> the C version to match - or maybe we light it all on fire and continue
> with rewriting everything in Rust... *shrug*
No. This "cleaner version on the Rust side" is nothing of that sort;
this "readdir doesn't need any state that might be different for different
file instances beyond the current position, because none of our examples
have needed that so far" is a good example of the garbage we really do
not need to deal with.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-03 20:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-18 12:24 [RFC PATCH 00/19] Rust abstractions for VFS Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 01/19] rust: fs: add registration/unregistration of file systems Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 15:38 ` Benno Lossin
2024-01-10 18:32 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-25 9:15 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 02/19] rust: fs: introduce the `module_fs` macro Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 03/19] samples: rust: add initial ro file system sample Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-28 16:18 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-01-10 18:25 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 04/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::super_params` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 16:34 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-28 16:39 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-10-30 8:21 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-30 21:36 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-10-20 15:04 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2024-01-03 12:25 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 05/19] rust: fs: introduce `INode<T>` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-28 18:00 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-01-03 12:45 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-03 12:54 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-04 5:20 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-01-04 9:57 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-10 9:45 ` Benno Lossin
2024-01-04 5:14 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-01-24 18:17 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 06/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::init_root` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-19 14:30 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-20 0:52 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-21 13:48 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-21 15:57 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-21 17:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-21 19:33 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-23 5:29 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-23 12:55 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-30 2:29 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-31 20:49 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-11-08 4:54 ` Dave Chinner
2023-11-08 6:15 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-20 0:30 ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-23 12:36 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 13:29 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-24 4:07 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 07/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::read_dir` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-21 8:33 ` Benno Lossin
2024-01-03 14:09 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-21 21:00 ` Askar Safin
2024-01-21 21:51 ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 08/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::lookup` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 09/19] rust: folio: introduce basic support for folios Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 17:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-18 18:32 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 19:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-19 13:25 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-20 4:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-20 15:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-23 12:32 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-23 10:48 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-23 14:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-24 15:04 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-10-23 12:29 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-21 9:21 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 10/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::read_folio` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-11-07 22:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-07 22:22 ` Al Viro
2023-11-08 0:35 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-11-08 0:56 ` Al Viro
2023-11-08 2:39 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 11/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::read_xattr` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 13:06 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-10-19 13:35 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 12/19] rust: fs: introduce `FileSystem::statfs` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 14:13 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2024-01-04 5:33 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-01-24 4:24 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 13/19] rust: fs: introduce more inode types Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 14/19] rust: fs: add per-superblock data Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-25 15:51 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-10-26 13:46 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2024-01-03 14:16 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 15/19] rust: fs: add basic support for fs buffer heads Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 14:17 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 16/19] rust: fs: allow file systems backed by a block device Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-21 13:39 ` Benno Lossin
2024-01-24 4:14 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 14:38 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 17/19] rust: fs: allow per-inode data Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-21 13:57 ` Benno Lossin
2024-01-03 14:39 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 18/19] rust: fs: export file type from mode constants Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 12:25 ` [RFC PATCH 19/19] tarfs: introduce tar fs Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 16:57 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-18 17:05 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-18 17:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-18 18:07 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-24 5:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-24 5:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-24 18:26 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-24 21:05 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-24 21:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-24 5:34 ` Gao Xiang
2023-10-18 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/19] Rust abstractions for VFS Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-10-18 17:12 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-10-29 20:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-10-31 20:14 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 18:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-03 19:04 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-03 19:53 ` Al Viro
2024-01-03 20:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-01-04 1:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-09 18:25 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-09 19:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-03 19:14 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-01-03 20:41 ` Al Viro [this message]
2024-01-09 19:13 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-09 19:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-09 19:32 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-01-10 7:49 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2024-01-10 7:57 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-01-10 12:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-09 22:19 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-10 19:19 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-01-24 13:08 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2024-01-24 19:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-01-05 0:04 ` David Howells
2024-01-05 15:54 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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