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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Reshetova, Elena" <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"Kalra, Ashish" <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	"linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86/random: Retry on RDSEED failure
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:11:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240214201103.GD394352@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9pzOTdkNr=mM7yKKqLWApQ5cxjvb7R9C2eQ2QFeUEqT6A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:04:34PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> AMD people, Intel people: what are the fullest statements we can rely
> on here? Do the following two statements work?
> 
> 1) On newer chips, RDRAND never fails.
> 2) On older chips, RDRAND never fails if you try 10 times in a loop,
> unless you consider host->guest attacks, which we're not, because CoCo
> is only a thing on the newer chips.
> 
> If those hold true, then the course of action would be to just add a
> WARN_ON(!ok) but keep the loop as-is.

I think we may only want to do the WARN_ON in early boot.  Otherwise,
on older chips, if a userspace process executes RDRAND is a tight
loop, it might cause the WARN_ON to trigger, which is considered
undesirable (and is certainly going to be something that could result
in a syzbot complaint).

					- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-14 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-30  8:30 [PATCH 1/2] x86/random: Retry on RDSEED failure Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-01-30  8:30 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/random: Issue a warning if RDRAND or RDSEED fails Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-01-30 12:37   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 13:45     ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-30 14:21       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 14:55         ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-30 15:00           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 17:31       ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-30 17:49         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 17:58           ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-30 18:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-30 18:23               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 18:23             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 18:37               ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-30 18:05           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-30 18:24             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 18:31             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 18:40             ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-31  8:16             ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-31 11:59               ` Dr. Greg
2024-01-31 13:06               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-31 18:02                 ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-31 20:35                 ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-01  4:47                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-01  9:54                     ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-01 11:08                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-01 21:04                         ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-02  7:56                           ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-01  7:26                   ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-01 10:52                     ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-06  1:12               ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-06  8:04                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-06 12:04                   ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-06 13:00                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-08 10:31                       ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-06 13:50                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-06 15:35                     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-02-08 11:44                       ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-09 17:31                         ` Borislav Petkov
2024-02-09 19:49                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-09 20:37                             ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-09 21:45                             ` Borislav Petkov
2024-02-06 18:49                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-02-08 16:38                       ` Dr. Greg
2024-01-30 15:50   ` Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2024-01-30 12:29 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/random: Retry on RDSEED failure Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 12:51   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 13:10   ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-30 14:06     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 14:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-30 15:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 18:35       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-30 19:06         ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-30 19:16           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-31  7:56             ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-31 13:14               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-31 14:07                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-01-31 14:45                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-31 14:52                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-01-31 17:10                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-01-31 17:37                       ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-01-31 18:01                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-01  4:57                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-01 18:09                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-01 18:46                               ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-01 19:02                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-02-02  7:25                               ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-02 15:39                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-03 10:12                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-09 19:53                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-12  8:25                                       ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-12 16:32                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-13  7:28                                           ` Dan Williams
2024-02-13 23:13                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-14  0:53                                               ` Dan Williams
2024-02-14  4:32                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-14  6:48                                                   ` Dan Williams
2024-02-14  6:54                                                   ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-14  8:34                                                   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-02-14  9:34                                                     ` Dr. Greg
2024-02-14 17:30                                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-14 15:18                                 ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-14 17:21                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-14 17:59                                     ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-14 19:32                                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-15  7:07                                         ` Reshetova, Elena
2024-02-15 12:58                                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-14 19:46                                     ` Tom Lendacky
2024-02-14 20:04                                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-14 20:11                                         ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2024-02-15 13:01                                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-02-14 20:14                                     ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-02 15:47                               ` James Bottomley
2024-02-02 16:05                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-02 21:28                                   ` James Bottomley
2024-02-03 14:35                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-06 19:12                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-30 15:20     ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-01-30 15:44 ` Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan

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