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From: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v8 01/10] ras: scrub: Add scrub subsystem
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 12:15:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240517121554.000031d4@Huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240511101705.GAZj9FoVbThp7JUK16@fat_crate.local>


Focusing on just one bit.

> > Now, the question of how many legacy scrub interfaces should be
> > considered in this design out of the gate is a worthwhile discussion. I
> > am encouraged that this ABI is at least trying to handle more than 1
> > backend, which makes me feel better that adding a 3rd and 4th might not
> > be prohibitive.  
> 
> See above.
> 
> I'm perfectly fine with: "hey, we have a new scrub API interfacing to
> RAS scrub capability and it is *the* thing to use and all other hw scrub
> functionality should be shoehorned into it.
> 
> So this thing's design should at least try to anticipate supporting
> other scrub hw.
> 
> Because there's EDAC too. Why isn't this scrub thing part of EDAC? Why
> isn't this scrub API part of edac_core? I mean, this is all RAS so why
> design a whole new thing when the required glue is already there?
> 
> We can just as well have a
> 
> 	/sys/devices/system/edac/scrub/
> 
> node hierarchy and have everything there.

A few questions about this. It seems an unusual use fake devices and a bus
so I'm trying to understand how we might do something that looks more standard
but perhaps also fit within the existing scheme.  I appreciate this stuff
has evolved over a long time, so lots of backwards compatibility concerns.

If I follow this right the current situation is:

/sys/devices/system/edac is the 'virtual' device registered on the edac bus.

> 
> Why does it have to be yet another thing?
> 
> And if it needs to be separate, who's going to maintain it?
> 
> > Which matches what I reacted to on the last posting:
> > 
> >    "Maybe it is self evident to others, but for me there is little in these
> >     changelogs besides 'mechanism exists, enable it'"
> > 
> > ...and to me that feedback was taken to heart with much improved
> > changelogs in this new posting.  
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > This init time feature probing discussion feels like it was born from a
> > micommunication / misunderstanding.  
> 
> Yes, it seems so, thanks for clarifying things.
> 
> I still am unclear on the usecases and how this is supposed to be used
> and also, as mentioned above, we have a *lot* of RAS functionality
> spread around the kernel. Perhaps we should start unifying it instead of
> adding more...
> 
> So the big picture and where we're headed to, needs to be clarified first.
> 
> Thx.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-17 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-19 16:47 [RFC PATCH v8 00/10] ras: scrub: introduce subsystem + CXL/ACPI-RAS2 drivers shiju.jose
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 01/10] ras: scrub: Add scrub subsystem shiju.jose
2024-04-24 20:25   ` fan
2024-04-25 10:38     ` Shiju Jose
2024-04-25 10:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-04-25 18:11     ` Shiju Jose
2024-05-06 10:30       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-08 16:59         ` Shiju Jose
2024-05-08 17:20           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-08 17:44             ` Shiju Jose
2024-05-08 19:25               ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-09  9:19                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-09 15:52                   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-09 20:03                     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-09 21:21                       ` Dan Williams
2024-05-09 21:51                         ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-09 22:59                           ` Dan Williams
2024-05-10  9:25                             ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-10 17:13                               ` Dan Williams
2024-05-11 10:17                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-17 11:15                                   ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
2024-05-17 11:44                                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-21  8:06                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-22  9:40                                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-27  9:09                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-20 10:54                                   ` Shiju Jose
2024-05-20 11:58                                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-27  9:21                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-28  9:06                                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-06 16:05                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-05-10 13:31                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-09 21:47   ` Dan Williams
2024-05-10  9:03     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 02/10] cxl/mbox: Add GET_SUPPORTED_FEATURES mailbox command shiju.jose
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 03/10] cxl/mbox: Add GET_FEATURE " shiju.jose
2024-04-24 23:19   ` fan
2024-04-25 10:38     ` Shiju Jose
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 04/10] cxl/mbox: Add SET_FEATURE " shiju.jose
2024-04-25 17:26   ` fan
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 05/10] cxl/memscrub: Add CXL device patrol scrub control feature shiju.jose
2024-04-26 23:56   ` fan
2024-04-29 11:20     ` Shiju Jose
2024-04-29 12:21       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-05-10  0:26   ` Dan Williams
2024-05-10 11:23     ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 06/10] ACPICA: Add __free() based cleanup function for acpi_put_table shiju.jose
2024-04-19 18:06   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 07/10] platform: Add __free() based cleanup function for platform_device_put shiju.jose
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 08/10] ACPI:RAS2: Add ACPI RAS2 driver shiju.jose
2024-06-05 21:32   ` Daniel Ferguson
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 09/10] ras: scrub: Add scrub control attributes for ACPI RAS2 shiju.jose
2024-04-19 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH v8 10/10] ras: scrub: ACPI RAS2: Add memory ACPI RAS2 driver shiju.jose
2024-06-05 21:33   ` Daniel Ferguson
2024-06-07 15:46     ` Shiju Jose
2024-06-21 18:06       ` Daniel Ferguson
2024-06-26 12:23         ` Shiju Jose

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