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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"GONG, Ruiqi" <gongruiqi@huaweicloud.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
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	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	jvoisin <julien.voisin@dustri.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
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	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets_create() and family
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 16:29:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202406201620.0392F7E45@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r0crut6v.fsf@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 03:48:24PM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > Dedicated caches are available for fixed size allocations via
> > kmem_cache_alloc(), but for dynamically sized allocations there is only
> > the global kmalloc API's set of buckets available. This means it isn't
> > possible to separate specific sets of dynamically sized allocations into
> > a separate collection of caches.
> >
> > This leads to a use-after-free exploitation weakness in the Linux
> > kernel since many heap memory spraying/grooming attacks depend on using
> > userspace-controllable dynamically sized allocations to collide with
> > fixed size allocations that end up in same cache.
> >
> > While CONFIG_RANDOM_KMALLOC_CACHES provides a probabilistic defense
> > against these kinds of "type confusion" attacks, including for fixed
> > same-size heap objects, we can create a complementary deterministic
> > defense for dynamically sized allocations that are directly user
> > controlled. Addressing these cases is limited in scope, so isolating these
> > kinds of interfaces will not become an unbounded game of whack-a-mole. For
> > example, many pass through memdup_user(), making isolation there very
> > effective.
> 
> Isn't the attack still possible if the attacker can free the slab page
> during the use-after-free period with enough memory pressure?
> 
> Someone else might grab the page that was in the bucket for another slab
> and the type confusion could hurt again.
> 
> Or is there some other defense against that, other than
> CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC or full slab poisoning? And how expensive
> does it get when any of those are enabled?
> 
> I remember reading some paper about a apple allocator trying similar
> techniques and it tried very hard to never reuse memory (probably
> not a good idea for Linux though)
> 
> I assume you thought about this, but it would be good to discuss such
> limitations and interactions in the commit log.

Yup! It's in there; it's just after what you quoted above. Here it is:

> > Memory allocation pinning[2] is still needed to plug the Use-After-Free
> > cross-allocator weakness, but that is an existing and separate issue
> > which is complementary to this improvement. Development continues for
> > that feature via the SLAB_VIRTUAL[3] series (which could also provide
> > guard pages -- another complementary improvement).
> > [...]
> > Link: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/10/how-simple-linux-kernel-memory.html [2]
> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230915105933.495735-1-matteorizzo@google.com/ [3]

Let me know if you think this description needs to be improved...

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-20 23:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-19 19:33 [PATCH v5 0/6] slab: Introduce dedicated bucket allocator Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets typedef Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm/slab: Plumb kmem_buckets into __do_kmalloc_node() Kees Cook
2024-06-20 13:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 13:37     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:46       ` Kees Cook
2024-06-20 20:44         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:41     ` Kees Cook
2024-06-21  9:37   ` Markus Elfring
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm/slab: Introduce kvmalloc_buckets_node() that can take kmem_buckets argument Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets_create() and family Kees Cook
2024-06-20 13:56   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:54     ` Kees Cook
2024-06-20 20:43       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  5:35         ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-28  8:40           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  9:06             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-28  9:17               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  9:34                 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-28 15:47           ` Kees Cook
2024-06-28 16:53             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 22:48   ` Andi Kleen
2024-06-20 23:29     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] ipc, msg: Use dedicated slab buckets for alloc_msg() Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm/util: Use dedicated slab buckets for memdup_user() Kees Cook

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