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From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 1/8] rust: types: add `NotThreadSafe`
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 11:20:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240927112021.051bcc6a@eugeo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240925135904.GA654417@mail.hallyn.com>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:59:04 -0500
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 01:06:10PM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 9:45 PM Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:  
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 02:31:27PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:  
> > > > This introduces a new marker type for types that shouldn't be thread
> > > > safe. By adding a field of this type to a struct, it becomes non-Send
> > > > and non-Sync, which means that it cannot be accessed in any way from
> > > > threads other than the one it was created on.
> > > >
> > > > This is useful for APIs that require globals such as `current` to remain
> > > > constant while the value exists.
> > > >
> > > > We update two existing users in the Kernel to use this helper:
> > > >
> > > >  * `Task::current()` - moving the return type of this value to a
> > > >    different thread would not be safe as you can no longer be guaranteed
> > > >    that the `current` pointer remains valid.
> > > >  * Lock guards. Mutexes and spinlocks should be unlocked on the same
> > > >    thread as where they were locked, so we enforce this using the Send
> > > >    trait.  
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > this sounds useful, however from kernel side when I think thread-safe,
> > > I think must not be used across a sleep.  Would something like ThreadLocked
> > > or LockedToThread make sense?  
> > 
> > Hmm, those names seem pretty similar to the current name to me?  
> 
> Seems very different to me:
> 
> If @foo is not threadsafe, it may be global or be usable by many
> threads, but must be locked to one thread during access.
> 
> What you're describing here is (iiuc) that @foo must only be used
> by one particular thread.

"locked to one thread during access" means it might be `Send` but not
`!Sync`.

What Alice has here is something is neither `Send` nor `Sync`, so I
think the `NotThreadSafe` is a good name here because it cancels both
guarantees.

Best,
Gary

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-27 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-15 14:31 [PATCH v10 0/8] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 1/8] rust: types: add `NotThreadSafe` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 15:38   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-27 11:21     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-09-24 19:45   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-09-25 11:06     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-25 13:59       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-09-27 10:20         ` Gary Guo [this message]
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 2/8] rust: task: add `Task::current_raw` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 3/8] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 21:51   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 4/8] rust: cred: add Rust abstraction for `struct cred` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 20:24   ` Kees Cook
2024-09-15 20:55     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-19  7:57   ` Paul Moore
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 5/8] rust: security: add abstraction for secctx Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 20:58   ` Kees Cook
2024-09-15 21:07     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-16 15:40       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-09-17 13:18         ` Paul Moore
2024-09-22 15:01           ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-22 15:08         ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-22 16:50           ` Casey Schaufler
2024-09-22 17:04             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-19  7:56   ` Paul Moore
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 6/8] rust: file: add `FileDescriptorReservation` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 18:39   ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 19:34     ` Al Viro
2024-09-16  4:18       ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 20:13     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:01       ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 22:05         ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 7/8] rust: file: add `Kuid` wrapper Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:02   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-23  9:13     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-26 16:33       ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-26 16:35         ` [PATCH] [RFC] rust: add PidNamespace wrapper Christian Brauner
2024-09-27 12:04           ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-27 14:21             ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-27 14:58               ` Alice Ryhl
2024-10-01  9:43           ` [PATCH v2] rust: add PidNamespace Christian Brauner
2024-10-01 10:26             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-10-01 14:17               ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-01 15:45                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-10-02 10:14                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-02 11:08                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-10-01 19:10             ` Gary Guo
2024-10-02 11:05               ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 8/8] rust: file: add abstraction for `poll_table` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:24   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-23  9:10     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-27  9:28 ` [PATCH v10 0/8] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Christian Brauner

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