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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org,
	riel@surriel.com, leobras@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	qiyuzhu2@amd.com
Subject: Re: locking/csd-lock: Switch from sched_clock() to ktime_get_mono_fast_ns()
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 13:21:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241010112132.GF17263@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <663ad810-3318-43af-8607-17ff7fe26e4a@paulmck-laptop>

On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 11:18:34AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 08:07:08PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 10:57:24AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Currently, the CONFIG_CSD_LOCK_WAIT_DEBUG code uses sched_clock()
> > > to check for excessive CSD-lock wait times.  This works, but does not
> > > guarantee monotonic timestamps. 
> > 
> > It does if you provide a sane TSC
> 
> What is this "sane TSC" of which you speak?  ;-)
> 
> More seriously, the raw reads from the TSC that are carried out by
> sched_clock() are not guaranteed to be monotonic due to potential
> instruction reordering and the like.  This is *not* a theoretical
> statement -- we really do see this on the fleet.  Very rarely for any
> given system, to be sure, but not at all rare across the full set of them.
> 
> This results in false-positive CSD-lock complaints claiming almost 2^64
> nanoseconds of delay, which are not good complaints to have.

Ooh, so the real difference is that clocksource_tsc ends up using
rdtsc_ordered() while sched_clock() ends up using rdtsc(), and you're
actually seeing that reordering happen.

*urgh*.

Yes, please put that in the Changelog.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-10 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-09 17:57 locking/csd-lock: Switch from sched_clock() to ktime_get_mono_fast_ns() Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 18:18   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 11:21     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-10-10 14:13       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 15:13 ` Rik van Riel
2024-10-10 18:31   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-11 17:40     ` Paul E. McKenney

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