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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
To: Brian Geffon <bgeffon@google.com>
Cc: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>,
	"miklos@szeredi.hu" <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"josef@toxicpanda.com" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com" <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"laoar.shao@gmail.com" <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	"kernel-team@meta.com" <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v9 2/3] fuse: add optional kernel-enforced timeout for requests
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 12:23:49 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241205032349.GC16709@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADyq12xSgHVFf4-bxk_9uN5-KJWnCohz1VAZKH4QEKJLJpcUEA@mail.gmail.com>

On (24/12/04 09:51), Brian Geffon wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In those cases 1 minute fuse timeout will overshot HUNG_TASK_TIMEOUT
> > > > >> and then the question is whether HUNG_TASK_PANIC is set.
> 
> In my opinion this is a good argument for having the hung task timeout
> and a fuse timeout independent. The hung task timeout is for hung
> kernel threads

Sorry, but no, it's not only for kernel threads.

> in this situation we're potentially taking too long in
> userspace but that doesn't necessarily mean the system is hung.

And it's not for hung system.  It's for tasks that stuck unreasonably
long waiting for a particular event or resource.  And those tasks very
well can be user-space processes, being stuck in syscall waiting for
something.

> I think a loop which does an interruptible wait with a timeout of 1/2
> the hung task timeout would make sense to ensure the hung task timeout
> doesn't hit.

The point here is not to silent watchdog, we might as well just disable
it and call it a day.  The point here is that fuse can be used (and IS
in our particular case) as a network filesystem, and the problem can be
way outside of your system, so spinning in a wait loop doesn't fix any
problem on that remote system no matter how long we spin, and that's
what watchdog signals us.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-05  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-14 19:13 [PATCH RESEND v9 0/3] fuse: add kernel-enforced request timeout option Joanne Koong
2024-11-14 19:13 ` [PATCH RESEND v9 1/3] fs_parser: add fsparam_u16 helper Joanne Koong
2024-11-14 19:13 ` [PATCH RESEND v9 2/3] fuse: add optional kernel-enforced timeout for requests Joanne Koong
2024-12-06 16:30   ` Etienne Martineau
2024-11-28 10:44   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-28 11:00     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-11-28 11:09       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-28 11:23         ` Bernd Schubert
2024-11-28 11:54           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-02  9:45             ` Tomasz Figa
2024-12-02 14:43               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-02 19:29                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-03  4:31                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-03  5:11                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-04 14:40                   ` Tomasz Figa
2024-12-04 14:51                     ` Brian Geffon
2024-12-04 15:09                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-05  3:23                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2024-12-05 11:07                         ` Brian Geffon
2024-12-03 11:01   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-06  0:06     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-06  4:28       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-04 13:14   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-05 23:10     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-04 13:47   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-05 23:29     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-06  3:26       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-12-06  0:37   ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-06 19:19     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-06 20:06       ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-06 19:05   ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-06 19:56     ` Etienne
2024-12-06 21:52       ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-06 20:12   ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-06 21:54     ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-14 19:13 ` [PATCH RESEND v9 3/3] fuse: add default_request_timeout and max_request_timeout sysctls Joanne Koong
2024-12-06  0:43   ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-06 18:16     ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v9 0/3] fuse: add kernel-enforced request timeout option Josef Bacik

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