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From: Mariusz Tkaczyk <mtkaczyk@kernel.org>
To: "Tomáš Mudruňka" <tomas.mudrunka@gmail.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, "Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
	yukuai@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Export MDRAID bitmap on disk structure in UAPI header file
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:23:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241231152302.3dc7a710@mtkaczyk-private-dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241231123108.215cc05e@mtkaczyk-private-dev>

Sorry missclick, adding linux-raid now.
I think we don't need to spam on linux-kernel as these are MD internals.

Kuai please take a look again.

Thanks,
Mariusz

On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 12:31:08 +0100
Mariusz Tkaczyk <mtkaczyk@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 12:00:31 +0100
> Tomáš Mudruňka <tomas.mudrunka@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > Thanks for the patch, however, Why do you want to directly
> > > > manipulate the metadata instead of using mdadm? You must first
> > > > provide an explanation to convince us that what you're doing
> > > > makes sense, and it's best to show your work.  
> > 
> > I am adding MD RAID support to genimage tool:
> > https://github.com/pengutronix/genimage/
> > 
> > It is used to generate firmware/disk images. Without such a tool it
> > is impossible to build disk image containing md raid metadata
> > without actually assembling it in the kernel via losetup or
> > something...
> > 
> > I am already using #include <linux/raid/md_p.h> which includes
> > references to bitmap structures:
> > 
> > $ grep -ri bitmap /usr/include/linux/raid/md_p.h
> > #define    MD_SB_BITMAP_PRESENT    8 /* bitmap may be present nearby
> > */ __le32    feature_map;    /* bit 0 set if 'bitmap_offset' is
> > meaningful */ __le32    bitmap_offset;    /* sectors after start of
> > superblock that bitmap starts
> >                      * NOTE: signed, so bitmap can be before
> > superblock #define MD_FEATURE_BITMAP_OFFSET    1
> > #define    MD_FEATURE_RECOVERY_BITMAP    128 /* recovery that is
> > happening
> >                          * is guided by bitmap.
> > #define    MD_FEATURE_ALL            (MD_FEATURE_BITMAP_OFFSET    \
> >                     |MD_FEATURE_RECOVERY_BITMAP    \
> > 
> > But when i use those, the resulting metadata is invalid, unless i
> > populate the structures from drivers/md/md-bitmap.h so i had to
> > copypaste its contents to my code, but i am not happy about it
> > (including half and copypasting half):
> 
> https://github.com/md-raid-utilities/mdadm/blob/main/bitmap.h
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but looks like it is what we did in mdadm.
> Well, If you don't want to care about it, you can consider adding
> mdadm as submodule in your application and use mdadm's headers.
> 
> Just an option, I have no hard feelings here.
> 
> Looking into that now make me more feeling that we should export this
> header long time ago instead of reimplementing it in mdadm. Kuai, what
> do you think?
> 
> > 
> > https://github.com/Harvie/genimage/blob/master/image-mdraid.c
> > 
> > > I'm with Kuai here. I would also add that for such purposes you
> > > can use externally managed metadata, not native. External
> > > management was proposed to address your problem however over the
> > > years it turned out to not be good conception (kernel driver
> > > relies on userspace daemon which is not secure).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mariusz  
> > 
> > Hope my reply is sufficient.
> > 
> > Thank you guys!
> > Tom
> 
> Looks like old problem we get used to. If Kuai agrees too, I'm open to
> add this but.. as a mdadm maintainer (primary tool to manipulate
> mdraid) I would like you to handle this on mdadm site too to make sure
> we have it consistent and we exported exactly what is needed.
> 
> Hope, it has some sense now!
> Thanks,
> Mariusz


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-31 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-31  3:09 [PATCH] Export MDRAID bitmap on disk structure in UAPI header file Tomas Mudrunka
2024-12-31  3:47 ` Yu Kuai
2024-12-31  8:59   ` Mariusz Tkaczyk
2024-12-31 11:02     ` Tomáš Mudruňka
     [not found]     ` <CAH2-hc+QK0SZgDjOScegsDk8R8gQEZgJ5Vg1M1J_v-yDEym=Dw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <20241231123108.215cc05e@mtkaczyk-private-dev>
2024-12-31 14:23         ` Mariusz Tkaczyk [this message]
2025-01-02  1:43           ` Yu Kuai
2025-01-02 11:48             ` Tomas Mudrunka
2025-01-03  1:14               ` Yu Kuai
2025-01-03  9:38                 ` Mariusz Tkaczyk
2025-01-03 11:54                   ` Tomas Mudrunka
2025-01-07  8:36                     ` Mariusz Tkaczyk
2025-01-07 22:58                     ` Song Liu
2025-01-15 15:23                       ` Tomáš Mudruňka
2025-01-06 15:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-06 15:40   ` Tomáš Mudruňka
2025-01-06 15:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03 11:43 ` Mariusz Tkaczyk
2025-02-03 17:18   ` [PATCH v2] " Tomas Mudrunka
2025-02-06 22:30 ` [PATCH v3] " Tomas Mudrunka
2025-02-18  2:32   ` Yu Kuai
2025-02-18 11:38     ` [PATCH v4] " Tomas Mudrunka
2025-02-19  6:11       ` Christoph Hellwig

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