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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Isaac J. Manjarres" <isaacmanjarres@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Alexander Aring <alex.aring@gmail.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@android.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] mm/memfd: Add support for F_SEAL_FUTURE_EXEC to memfd
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 16:44:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202501061643.986D9453@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkUuz=qGvoW1-qrgxiDg1meRdmq3bN5f89XPR39itqtmUg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 06, 2025 at 10:26:27AM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> + Kees because this is related to W^X memfd and security.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 7:14 AM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 7:19 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> > <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 05:09:22PM -0800, Isaac J. Manjarres wrote:
> > > > +             if (is_exec_sealed(seals)) {
> > >
> > > Are we intentionally disallowing a MAP_PRIVATE memfd's mapping's execution?
> > > I've not tested this scenario so don't know if we somehow disallow this in
> > > another way but note on write checks we only care about shared mappings.
> > >
> > > I mean one could argue that a MAP_PRIVATE situation is the same as copying
> > > the data into an anon buffer and doing what you want with it, here you
> > > could argue the same...
> > >
> > > So probably we should only care about VM_SHARED?
> >
> > FWIW I think it doesn't make sense to distinguish between
> > shared/private mappings here - in the scenario described in the cover
> > letter, it wouldn't matter that much to an attacker whether the
> > mapping is shared or private (as long as the VMA contents haven't been
> > CoWed already).
> +1 on this.
> The concept of blocking this for only shared mapping is questionable.

Right -- why does sharedness matter? It seems more robust to me to not
create a corner case but rather apply the flag/behavior universally?

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-07  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-06  1:09 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add file seal to prevent future exec mappings Isaac J. Manjarres
2024-12-06  1:09 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] mm/memfd: Add support for F_SEAL_FUTURE_EXEC to memfd Isaac J. Manjarres
2024-12-06 17:49   ` Kalesh Singh
2024-12-06 20:50     ` Isaac Manjarres
2024-12-06 18:19   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-06 20:48     ` Isaac Manjarres
2024-12-06 21:14       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-11 20:56         ` Isaac Manjarres
2025-01-03 15:13     ` Jann Horn
2025-01-06 18:26       ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-07  0:44         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-01-08 19:06           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-08 22:07             ` Kees Cook
2025-01-09 23:30             ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-14 20:02               ` Isaac Manjarres
2025-01-14 21:29                 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-14 22:42                   ` Isaac Manjarres
2025-01-14 23:41                     ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-14 23:56                       ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-06  1:09 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] selftests/memfd: Add tests for F_SEAL_FUTURE_EXEC Isaac J. Manjarres

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