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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 08/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in try_to_unmap_one()
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:08:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250130140832.GM5556@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5t5RKFwl34vpqU4@phenom.ffwll.local>

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 02:06:12PM +0100, Simona Vetter wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 12:08:42PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 30.01.25 11:10, Simona Vetter wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:54:06PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > Ever since commit b756a3b5e7ea ("mm: device exclusive memory access")
> > > > we can return with a device-exclusive entry from page_vma_mapped_walk().
> > > > 
> > > > try_to_unmap_one() is not prepared for that, so teach it about these
> > > > non-present nonswap PTEs.
> > > > 
> > > > Before that, could we also have triggered this case with device-private
> > > > entries? Unlikely.
> > > 
> > > Just quick comment on this, I'm still pondering all the other aspects.
> > > 
> > > device-private memory is entirely owned by the driver, the core mm isn't
> > > supposed to touch these beyond migrating it back to system memory in
> > > do_swap_page. Plus using rmap when the driver asks for invalidating
> > > mappings as needed.
> > > 
> > > So no lru, thp, migration or anything initiated by core mm should ever
> > > happen on these device private pages. If it does, it'd be a bug.
> > 
> > I was not 100% sure about HWPoison handling, that's why I added that
> > comment. In other regards I agree: reclaim etc. does not apply.
> 
> So maybe I'm just entirely lost, but unless you have a coherent
> interconnect I don't think hwpoisin should get involved with device
> private memory? And for a coherent interconnect it's just device memory,
> which isn't treated very special.

I'm not sure it is meaningful, but in principle a driver could keep
track of the poisoned private memory using that struct page
bit. Perhaps in that sense it is more of a driver private flag than
something the core MM would touch.

If you have a coherent interconnect then you should not be using
device private.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-29 11:53 [PATCH v1 00/12] mm: fixes for device-exclusive entries (hmm) David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:53 ` [PATCH v1 01/12] mm/gup: reject FOLL_SPLIT_PMD with hugetlb VMAs David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 21:42   ` John Hubbard
2025-01-30  8:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:46   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 02/12] mm/rmap: reject hugetlb folios in folio_make_device_exclusive() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:47   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 03/12] mm/rmap: convert make_device_exclusive_range() to make_device_exclusive() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:57   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31  0:28     ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31  9:29       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:46   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 04/12] mm/rmap: implement make_device_exclusive() using folio_walk instead of rmap walk David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  6:11   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:24       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 22:31         ` Alistair Popple
2025-02-04 10:56           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:40     ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30  9:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:00         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31 17:00             ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 05/12] mm/memory: detect writability in restore_exclusive_pte() through can_change_pte_writable() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:51   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30  9:58     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:03       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 23:06         ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 10:55           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31 17:05             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-04 10:58               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 06/12] mm: use single SWP_DEVICE_EXCLUSIVE entry type David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:43   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 23:28   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 07/12] mm/page_vma_mapped: device-private entries are not migration entries David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 23:36   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 11:06     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 08/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in try_to_unmap_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 10:10   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 11:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:06       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 14:08         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-01-30 16:10           ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 09/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in try_to_migrate_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 10/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in folio_referenced_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 11/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in page_vma_mkclean_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 12/12] mm/rmap: keep mapcount untouched for device-exclusive entries David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 10:37   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 11:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:19       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:43         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31 17:13           ` Simona Vetter

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