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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Hans Holmberg <hans.holmberg@wdc.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 34/43] xfs: disable reflink for zoned file systems
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 05:54:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250207045446.GA6694@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250207043123.GM21808@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 08:31:23PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 07:44:50AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > While the zoned on-disk format supports reflinks, the GC code currently
> > always unshares reflinks when moving blocks to new zones, thus making the
> > feature unusuable.  Disable reflinks until the GC code is refcount aware.
> 
> It might be worth mentioning that I've been working on a refcount-aware
> free space defragmenter that could be used for this kind of thing,
> albeit with the usual problems of userspace can't really stop the
> kernel from filling its brains and starving our defragc process.
> 
> It would be interesting to load up that adversarial thread timing
> sched_ext thing that I hear was talked about at fosdem.

Not sure waht sched_ext thing and how it's relevant.

It's just that refcount awareness is a bit of work and not really
required for the initial use cases.  It might also have fun implications
for the metabtree reservations, but otherwise I don't think it's rocket
science.  Even more so with a pre-existing implementation to steal ideas
from.

Talking about stealing ideas - the in-kernel GC flow should mostly work
for a regular file system as well.  I don't think actually sharing much
code is going to be useful because the block reservations work so
differently, but I suspect doing it in-kernel using the same "check if
the mapping change at I/O completion time" scheme use in GC would work
very well for a freespace defragmenter on a regular file system.  And
doing it in the kernel will be more efficient at operation time and
probably also be a lot less code than doing it with a whole bunch of
userspace to kernel roundtrips.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-07  4:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-06  6:44 support for zoned devices RFCv2 Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 01/43] xfs: factor out a xfs_rt_check_size helper Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 02/43] xfs: add a rtg_blocks helper Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 03/43] xfs: move xfs_bmapi_reserve_delalloc to xfs_iomap.c Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 04/43] xfs: skip always_cow inodes in xfs_reflink_trim_around_shared Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:13   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:22       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 05/43] xfs: refine the unaligned check for always COW inodes in xfs_file_dio_write Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 06/43] xfs: generalize the freespace and reserved blocks handling Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 21:29   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:21     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:28       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 07/43] xfs: preserve RT reservations across remounts Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 08/43] xfs: reflow xfs_dec_freecounter Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 09/43] xfs: trace in-memory freecounters Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:15   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 10/43] xfs: make metabtree reservations global Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:50   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:18     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:24       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 11/43] xfs: reduce metafile reservations Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:52   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:26       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 12/43] xfs: support XFS_BMAPI_REMAP in xfs_bmap_del_extent_delay Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:54   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 13/43] xfs: add a xfs_rtrmap_highest_rgbno helper Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 20:55   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 14/43] xfs: define the zoned on-disk format Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 21:00   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 15/43] xfs: allow internal RT devices for zoned mode Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 16/43] xfs: export zoned geometry via XFS_FSOP_GEOM Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 21:03   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 17/43] xfs: disable sb_frextents for zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 18/43] xfs: disable FITRIM for zoned RT devices Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 19/43] xfs: don't call xfs_can_free_eofblocks from ->release for zoned inodes Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 20/43] xfs: skip zoned RT inodes in xfs_inodegc_want_queue_rt_file Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 21:04   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 21/43] xfs: parse and validate hardware zone information Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06 21:05   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 22/43] xfs: add the zoned space allocator Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07 17:39   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-13  5:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-13  8:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-17  9:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-13 22:08       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 23/43] xfs: add support for zoned space reservations Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07 17:52   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-13  5:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-13 22:09       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-14  6:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-14 18:25           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 24/43] xfs: implement zoned garbage collection Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07 18:33   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-13  5:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-13 22:10       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 25/43] xfs: implement buffered writes to zoned RT devices Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-12  0:54   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-13  5:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-13 23:05       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-14  6:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-14 18:29           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 26/43] xfs: implement direct " Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 27/43] xfs: wire up zoned block freeing in xfs_rtextent_free_finish_item Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 28/43] xfs: hide reserved RT blocks from statfs Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:32   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 29/43] xfs: support growfs on zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 30/43] xfs: allow COW forks on zoned file systems in xchk_bmap Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 31/43] xfs: support xchk_xref_is_used_rt_space on zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 32/43] xfs: support xrep_require_rtext_inuse " Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 33/43] xfs: enable fsmap reporting for internal RT devices Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:39   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 34/43] xfs: disable reflink for zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:54     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-02-07  5:05       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 35/43] xfs: disable rt quotas " Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 36/43] xfs: enable the zoned RT device feature Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 37/43] xfs: support zone gaps Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 38/43] xfs: add a max_open_zones mount option Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:29   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 39/43] xfs: support write life time based data placement Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-12  0:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-12 13:29     ` Hans Holmberg
2025-02-13  4:42       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-13 13:03         ` Hans Holmberg
2025-02-14  6:41           ` hch
2025-02-14 12:20             ` Hans Holmberg
2025-02-14 16:21             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 40/43] xfs: wire up the show_stats super operation Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 41/43] xfs: export zone stats in /proc/*/mountstats Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  1:02   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 42/43] xfs: contain more sysfs code in xfs_sysfs.c Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  0:54   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06  6:44 ` [PATCH 43/43] xfs: export max_open_zones in sysfs Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  0:52   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  4:23     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07  4:27       ` Darrick J. Wong

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