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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/19] VFS: introduce lookup_and_lock() and friends
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:11:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250212201132.GR1977892@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250212155132.GQ1977892@ZenIV>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 03:51:32PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:

> And _that_ is really useful, provided that it's reliable.  What we
> need to avoid is d_drop()/d_rehash() windows, when that "operated
> upon" dentry ceases to be visible.

... which is easier to do these days - NFS doesn't do it anymore
(AFS still does, though).  There's also a bit of magical mystery shite
in exfat_lookup()...

IIRC, we used to have something similar in VFAT as well, and it
had been bloody bogus...

Actually, this one is worse - this
               /*
                * Unhashed alias is able to exist because of revalidate()
                * called by lookup_fast. You can easily make this status
                * by calling create and lookup concurrently
                * In such case, we reuse an alias instead of new dentry
                */
in there is utter nonsense - exfat_d_revalidate() never tells you to
drop positive dentries, to start with.  Check for disconnected stuff
is also bogus (reasoning in "vfat: simplify checks in vfat_lookup()"
applies), d_drop(dentry) is pointless (->lookup() argument is not
hashed), for directories we don't give a rat's arse whether it's
hashed or not (d_splice_alias() will DTRT) and for non-directories
the next case in there (d_move() and return alias) will work,
hashed or unhashed.

Now, the case of alias dentry being locked is interesting (both for
exfat and vfat)...

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-12 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-06  5:42 [PATCH 00/19 v7?] RFC: Allow concurrent and async changes in a directory NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 01/19] VFS: introduce vfs_mkdir_return() NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:24   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 23:52     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:52   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-06 23:57     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 19:45   ` Al Viro
2025-02-10  4:36     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 02/19] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2025-02-07 19:32   ` Al Viro
2025-02-10  4:58     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-10  5:15       ` Al Viro
2025-02-11 23:35         ` NeilBrown
2025-02-12  0:25           ` Al Viro
2025-02-12  1:46             ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 03/19] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl() and rename it NeilBrown
2025-02-06 14:30   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-07  0:04     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07  0:23       ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-07 20:01   ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 04/19] VFS: change kern_path_locked() and user_path_locked_at() to never return negative dentry NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:31   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 13:09     ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  0:08       ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 05/19] VFS: add common error checks to lookup_one_qstr() NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:33   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07 20:14   ` Al Viro
2025-02-09 20:23   ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 06/19] VFS: repack DENTRY_ flags NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:34   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 07/19] VFS: repack LOOKUP_ bit flags NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:44   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  0:24     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06 12:54   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 08/19] VFS: introduce lookup_and_lock() and friends NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:49   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  1:28     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 20:22   ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 23:18     ` Al Viro
2025-02-12  5:22       ` NeilBrown
2025-02-12 15:51         ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 20:11           ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-02-12  4:49     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 09/19] VFS: add _async versions of the various directory modifying inode_operations NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:15   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  1:46     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 22:41   ` Al Viro
2025-02-09  1:09     ` Al Viro
2025-02-09  4:57       ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 10/19] VFS: introduce inode flags to report locking needs for directory ops NeilBrown
2025-02-06 13:22   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  2:01     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 11/19] VFS: Add ability to exclusively lock a dentry and use for create/remove operations NeilBrown
2025-02-08  1:38   ` Al Viro
2025-02-09  6:40   ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 12/19] VFS: enhance d_splice_alias to accommodate shared-lock updates NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 13/19] VFS: lock dentry for ->revalidate to avoid races with rename etc NeilBrown
2025-02-07 20:28   ` Al Viro
2025-02-07 20:35     ` Al Viro
2025-02-08  1:30   ` Al Viro
2025-02-08  1:35     ` Al Viro
2025-02-12 21:22     ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 14/19] VFS: Ensure no async updates happening in directory being removed NeilBrown
2025-02-06 14:06   ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-07  2:17     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-07 21:06   ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 22:06     ` Al Viro
2025-02-08 22:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-08 22:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-08 23:25         ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 15/19] VFS: Change lookup_and_lock() to use shared lock when possible NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 16/19] VFS: add lookup_and_lock_rename() NeilBrown
2025-02-07 21:21   ` Al Viro
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 17/19] nfsd: use lookup_and_lock_one() and lookup_and_lock_rename_one() NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 18/19] nfs: change mkdir inode_operation to mkdir_async NeilBrown
2025-02-06  5:42 ` [PATCH 19/19] nfs: switch to _async for all directory ops NeilBrown
2025-02-13  3:51   ` Al Viro
2025-02-13  4:09     ` Al Viro
2025-02-13 18:01       ` Al Viro
2025-02-06 14:36 ` [PATCH 00/19 v7?] RFC: Allow concurrent and async changes in a directory Christian Brauner
2025-02-06 15:36 ` John Stoffel
2025-02-07  2:18   ` NeilBrown
2025-02-09 23:33 ` Al Viro

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