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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	rust-for-linux <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: Rust kernel policy
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 16:33:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250219153350.GG19203@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c1693d15d0a9c8b7d194535f88cbc5b07b5740e5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

Hi James,

On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:15:00AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-02-19 at 09:46 -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> > 
> > James,
> > 
> > > Could we possibly fix a lot of this by adopting the _cleanup_
> > > annotations[1]? I've been working in systemd code recently and they
> > > seem to make great use of this for error leg simplification.
> > 
> > We already have this:
> > 
> >   include/linux/cleanup.h
> > 
> > I like using cleanup attributes for some error handling. However, I'm
> > finding that in many cases I want to do a bit more than a simple
> > kfree(). And at that point things get syntactically messy in the
> > variable declarations and harder to read than just doing a classic
> > goto style unwind.
> 
> So the way systemd solves this is that they define a whole bunch of
> _cleanup_<type>_ annotations which encode the additional logic.  It
> does mean you need a globally defined function for each cleanup type,
> but judicious use of cleanup types seems to mean they only have a few
> dozen of these.

I may be missing something obvious, but this seems super dangerous to
me to perform lightly without reference counting, as it increases the
risks of use-after-free and double-free in case one of the allocated
objects in question can sometimes be returned. Users of such mechanisms
must be extremely cautious never to ever return a pointer derivated
from a variable tagged as such, or to properly NULL-assign the original
object for it not to double-free. So it might in the end require to be
careful about null-setting on return instead of explicitly freeing what
was explicitly allocated. I'm not sure about the overall benefit. Also
I suspect it encourages to multiply the return points, which makes it
even more difficult to possibly fix what needs to be fixed without
coming from a locally allocated variable (e.g. restore a state in a
parser etc). Maybe it's just me not seeing the whole picture, but as
a general case I prefer to forget a free() call (worst case: memory
leak) than forget a foo=NULL that may result in a double free, and the
description here makes me think the latter might more easily happen.

Regards,
Willy

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-19 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-09 20:56 Rust kernel policy Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 16:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-18 16:35   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 16:39     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 18:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 21:22         ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19  6:20           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19  6:35             ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-19 11:37               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19 13:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-02-19 13:40                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19  7:05             ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19 11:32               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 17:36   ` Jiri Kosina
2025-02-20  6:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 18:40       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-18 18:46   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 21:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-18 22:38       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 22:54       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19  0:58         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-19  3:04           ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19  5:07             ` NeilBrown
2025-02-19  5:39             ` Greg KH
2025-02-19 15:05               ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-20 20:49                 ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-21 19:24                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-20  7:03               ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20  7:10                 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20  8:57                   ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 13:46                     ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 14:09                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 14:38                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 15:25                         ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 15:49                         ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22 15:30                         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20 14:53                     ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 15:40                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21  0:46                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-21  9:48                         ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-21 16:28                           ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 17:43                             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 18:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 18:19                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 18:31                                 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 19:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 19:59                                     ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 20:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22  7:20                                         ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 22:24                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 23:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 17:53                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 18:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-23 16:42                                         ` David Laight
2025-02-21 23:37                                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-25 22:49                                         ` David Laight
2025-02-22 18:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22  9:45                                   ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-22 10:25                                     ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-22 11:07                                       ` Greg KH
2025-02-21 18:23                               ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 22:14                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-03-01 13:22                             ` Askar Safin
2025-03-01 13:55                               ` Martin Uecker
2025-03-02  6:50                               ` Kees Cook
2025-02-21 18:11                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-24  8:12                             ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 22:08                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-22 23:42                     ` Piotr Masłowski
2025-02-23  8:10                       ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-23 23:31                       ` comex
2025-02-24  9:08                         ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 18:03                           ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 12:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 12:37                 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 13:23                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 13:51                     ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-20 15:17                     ` C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy) Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 16:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-20 20:34                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-21  8:31                       ` HUANG Zhaobin
2025-02-21 18:34                       ` David Laight
2025-02-21 19:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 20:07                           ` comex
2025-02-21 21:45                           ` David Laight
2025-02-22  6:32                             ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  6:37                               ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22  8:41                                 ` David Laight
2025-02-22  9:11                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-21 20:06                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-21 20:23                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 20:24                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 22:02                             ` David Laight
2025-02-21 22:13                               ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-22  5:56                                 ` comex
2025-02-21 20:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 22:19                             ` henrychurchill
2025-02-21 22:52                             ` henrychurchill
2025-02-20 22:13               ` Rust kernel policy Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21  5:19               ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-21  5:36                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-21  5:59                   ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-21  7:04                     ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-24 20:27                       ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-24 20:37                     ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-26  2:42                       ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-22 16:04               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 17:10                 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 17:34                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-23  2:08                 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-19  5:53             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-19  5:59           ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-22 18:46             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-19 12:37           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-20 11:26       ` Askar Safin
2025-02-20 12:33       ` vpotach
2025-02-19 18:52     ` Kees Cook
2025-02-19 19:08       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 19:17         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-19 20:27           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-19 20:46             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 20:52               ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-19 21:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 16:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20  8:13                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20  8:16                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20 11:57                   ` Fiona Behrens
2025-02-20 14:07                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-21 10:19                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-22 12:10                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-04 11:17                       ` Fiona Behrens
2025-03-04 17:48                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20  9:55                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-19 19:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20  6:32         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20  6:53           ` Greg KH
2025-02-20  8:44             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20 13:53             ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-20 16:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 12:01           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 12:13             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 23:42         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 15:21           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20  6:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 23:44       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-21 15:24         ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-22 12:10           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 13:17           ` Fiona Behrens
2025-02-21  0:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 12:16         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-21 15:59           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-23 18:03           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-23 18:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 16:05               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 19:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-19  8:05   ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-19 14:14     ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 14:30       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-02-19 14:46       ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-19 14:51         ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-02-19 15:15         ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:33           ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2025-02-19 15:45             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 15:46             ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:56               ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:07                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 16:15                   ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:32                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 16:34                       ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:33                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 16:47                       ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-19 18:22                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20  6:26                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20 15:37                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 17:00           ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-19 15:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 14:05   ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:08     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19 16:03       ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 16:44         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19 17:06           ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-20 23:40             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 15:03             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20 16:03           ` James Bottomley
2025-02-20 23:47             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-20  6:48         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 12:56           ` James Bottomley

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