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From: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rwonce: fix crash by removing READ_ONCE() for unaligned read
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 15:54:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250326225444.GA1743548@ax162> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wikuhxhdSEgqb-Lkb2ibQM_hAHR1Cu7yxg-gHZu1NF+ug@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 03:41:34PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> That said, this whole thing worries me. The fact that the compiler
> magically makes READ_ONCE() require alignment that it normally doesn't
> require seems like a bug waiting to happen somewhere else.

For the record, I do not think it is the compiler doing this, it is the
arm64 code after commit e35123d83ee3 ("arm64: lto: Strengthen
READ_ONCE() to acquire when CONFIG_LTO=y") back in 5.11.

> Because I do think that we might want READ_ONCE() on unaligned data in
> general. Should said places generally use "get_unaligned()"? Sure. And
> are unaligned accesses potentially non-atomic anyway because of
> hardware? Also sure.
> 
> But one reason for READ_ONCE() isn't for some kind of hardware
> atomicity, it is to avoid any ToCToU issues due to compilers doing bad
> things.
> 
> And then this seems to be a serious issue with the whole "READ_ONCE()
> now requires alignment that it didn't require before".
> 
> Put another way: I wonder what other cases may lurk around this all...

That change has caused only one issue that I know of, which was fixed by
commit d3f450533bbc ("efi: tpm: Avoid READ_ONCE() for accessing the
event log"). I have not seen any since then until this point and I do
daily boots of -next with LTO enabled on both of my arm64 test machines.

Cheers,
Nathan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-26 22:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-26 21:04 [PATCH] rwonce: fix crash by removing READ_ONCE() for unaligned read Jann Horn
2025-03-26 21:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-26 22:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-26 22:50     ` Jann Horn
2025-03-26 22:54     ` Nathan Chancellor [this message]
2025-03-27  0:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-27 10:58         ` Arnd Bergmann

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