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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Chaining is dead
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2025 20:33:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250401033303.GA56851@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z-tTEjCzpgDr9a-3@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:44:34AM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer, I wasn't aware of its existence.  Yes
> there should definitely be only one code path for this.  So
> what's stopping you from removing fscrypt right now? IOW what's
> missing from blk-crypto?

Well, fscrypt (ext4/f2fs/ubifs/ceph encryption) wouldn't be removed; its
implementation would just change on ext4 and f2fs.  Instead of providing a
choice of whether to use blk-crypto or fs-layer crypto for file contents
en/decryption, ext4 and f2fs would always use blk-crypto.  Supporting code such
as fscrypt_decrypt_bio() that would become unused by that would be removed.

A few reasons I've waited so long:

- The fs-layer file contents en/decryption code was there first, and there
  hasn't been a strong need to remove it yet
- Much of the file contents en/decryption code in fs/crypto/ would still be
  needed, since ubifs and ceph still use it as they are not block-based
- It would make CONFIG_BLK_INLINE_ENCRYPTION, which adds a field to struct bio,
  required on more systems
- It would add the overhead of keyslot management to software crypto
- blk-crypto currently always uses inline encryption hardware when it's
  available; but, I'd like to preserve ext4's and f2fs's existing behavior where
  the use of inline encryption hardware is opt-in via a mount option.

But I'm thinking it's finally time, especially with the conversions of
filesystems to operate on folios that's going on.

dm-crypt could of course use blk-crypto too, but the dm people haven't been
super comfortable so far with delegating en/decryption to the block layer.

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-01  3:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-03  4:40 [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.9 Herbert Xu
2020-08-03 17:55 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-08-30 22:33 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes " Herbert Xu
2020-08-30 23:02   ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-09-10  0:34   ` Herbert Xu
2020-09-10  2:48     ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-10-26  1:11   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.10 Herbert Xu
2020-10-26 17:52     ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-12-27 11:32     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.11 Herbert Xu
2020-12-27 17:27       ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-01-08  3:54       ` Herbert Xu
2021-01-08 20:36         ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-01-18  5:13         ` Herbert Xu
2021-01-18 21:16           ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-01-25 22:36           ` Herbert Xu
2021-01-26  0:01             ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-07-08  3:09         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.14 Herbert Xu
2021-07-09 19:20           ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-08-17  1:36           ` Herbert Xu
2021-08-17  2:27             ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-09-29  2:38             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.15 Herbert Xu
2021-09-29 14:51               ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-10-29  4:14               ` Herbert Xu
2021-10-29 17:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-11-02  4:01                   ` Herbert Xu
2021-10-29 18:49                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-11-12 10:48                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.16 Herbert Xu
2021-11-12 20:42                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-12-22  5:13                   ` Herbert Xu
2021-12-22 19:02                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-02-09  2:33                     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.17 Herbert Xu
2022-02-09 18:01                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-03-16  1:13                       ` Herbert Xu
2022-03-17 20:40                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-03-31  3:16                         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.18 Herbert Xu
2022-03-31 19:12                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-05-20  5:41                           ` Herbert Xu
2022-05-20  6:10                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-05-27 11:29                           ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 5.19 Herbert Xu
2022-05-28  1:21                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-06-17  8:29                             ` Herbert Xu
2022-06-17 15:29                               ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-06-30  7:56                               ` Herbert Xu
2022-06-30 17:28                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-08-31  8:55                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.0 Herbert Xu
2022-08-31 17:20                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-10-17  4:38                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.1 Herbert Xu
2022-10-17 17:51                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-10-28  4:58                                   ` Herbert Xu
2022-10-28 17:00                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-02  9:49                                       ` Herbert Xu
2022-10-28 17:02                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-01-06  9:15                                     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.2 Herbert Xu
2023-01-06 21:19                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-03-05 10:15                                       ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.3 Herbert Xu
2023-03-05 19:37                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-05-07 13:19                                         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.4 Herbert Xu
2023-05-07 18:12                                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-05-29  3:41                                           ` Herbert Xu
2023-05-29 11:39                                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-07-09 23:51                                             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.5 Herbert Xu
2023-07-10 17:20                                               ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-08-21  3:37                                               ` Herbert Xu
2023-08-21  5:09                                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-08-31  5:16                                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.6 Herbert Xu
2023-09-01 23:19                                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-09-22  2:10                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2023-09-22 16:43                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-10  8:46                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2023-10-10 18:54                                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-21  9:23                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2023-10-21 17:57                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-11-09  4:30                                                   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.7 Herbert Xu
2023-11-10  1:30                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-08-02  6:05                             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.20 Herbert Xu
2022-08-03  0:57                               ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-10-04  8:54                               ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.1 Herbert Xu
2022-10-10 20:56                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-12-14  8:15                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.2 Herbert Xu
2022-12-14 22:25                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-02-20  5:22                                   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.3 Herbert Xu
2023-02-22  2:50                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-04-24  4:52                                     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.4 Herbert Xu
2023-04-26 17:06                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-06-29  5:06                                       ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.5 Herbert Xu
2023-07-01  5:04                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-08-28  9:22                                         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.6 Herbert Xu
2023-08-29 19:00                                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-11-02  6:56                                           ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.7 Herbert Xu
2023-11-03  2:34                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-03  5:52                                               ` Herbert Xu
2023-11-03  6:32                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-06 10:00                                                   ` [PATCH] crypto: jitterentropy - Hide esoteric Kconfig options under FIPS and EXPERT Herbert Xu
2023-11-06 15:25                                                     ` Stephan Mueller
2023-11-10  9:04                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-11-03  2:37                                             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.7 pr-tracker-bot
2024-01-09 22:17                                             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.8 Herbert Xu
2024-01-10 20:38                                               ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-02-01  5:32                                               ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes " Herbert Xu
2024-02-01 18:23                                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-02-08  4:29                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2024-02-08  6:24                                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-02-21  9:10                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2024-02-21 17:17                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-02-28  8:07                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2024-02-28 17:48                                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-03-06  9:47                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2024-03-06 16:33                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-03-25  9:47                                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.9 Herbert Xu
2024-03-25 18:18                                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-05-20  3:26                                                   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.10 Herbert Xu
2024-05-20 16:33                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-05-29  4:17                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2024-05-29 17:11                                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-06-28  0:40                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2024-06-28  1:01                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-09-23  3:08                                                     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.12 Herbert Xu
2024-09-24 18:04                                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-10-16  5:37                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2024-10-16 20:51                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-10-21  5:45                                                         ` Herbert Xu
2024-10-21 18:27                                                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-11-15 11:51                                                           ` Herbert Xu
2024-11-15 18:59                                                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-12-14  9:21                                                       ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.13 Herbert Xu
2024-12-14 17:18                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-03-31  4:50                                                         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Fixes for 6.15 Herbert Xu
2025-04-05  2:23                                                           ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-05  3:09                                                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-04-16  5:16                                                             ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-16 15:24                                                               ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-04-24  9:07                                                               ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-24 16:29                                                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-04-30  2:47                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-30  4:19                                                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-05-21  1:59                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2025-05-21  3:15                                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-03-15  3:04                                               ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.9 Herbert Xu
2024-03-15 21:51                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-16  4:39                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2024-03-15 21:59                                                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-05-13  3:50                                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.10 Herbert Xu
2024-05-13 22:12                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-14  5:17                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2024-05-14  5:41                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-14  6:02                                                         ` Herbert Xu
2024-05-14  6:54                                                     ` Lukas Wunner
2024-05-14 17:07                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-13 22:38                                                   ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-07-18 13:49                                                   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.11 Herbert Xu
2024-07-19 18:09                                                     ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-09-16  3:59                                                     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.12 Herbert Xu
2024-09-16  4:55                                                       ` pr-tracker-bot
2024-11-18  3:18                                                       ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.13 Herbert Xu
2024-11-19 19:06                                                         ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-01-23 11:10                                                         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.14 Herbert Xu
2025-01-24 16:05                                                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2025-03-25  5:53                                                           ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.15 Herbert Xu
2025-03-25 15:25                                                             ` Eric Biggers
2025-03-25 16:59                                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-03-26  1:49                                                               ` Herbert Xu
2025-03-26  2:16                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2025-03-26  3:34                                                                   ` Eric Biggers
2025-03-26  3:52                                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2025-03-30  2:33                                                                       ` Chaining is dead Herbert Xu
2025-03-31 16:56                                                                         ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-01  2:44                                                                           ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-01  3:33                                                                             ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-04-01  3:55                                                                               ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-01  4:08                                                                                 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-01  4:14                                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-01  7:20                                                                               ` Milan Broz
2025-04-01  3:30                                                                           ` Herbert Xu
2025-04-01  3:39                                                                             ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-04  8:46                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-26  3:20                                                                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 6.15 Eric Biggers
2025-03-26  3:30                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2025-03-29 17:40                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-29 18:06                                                                 ` Eric Biggers
2025-03-29 18:17                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-29 18:19                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-29 18:38                                                                       ` Eric Biggers
2025-03-29 18:52                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-29 18:24                                                             ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-10-12  3:32 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.10 Herbert Xu
2020-10-13 16:24   ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-12-14  5:55   ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.11 Herbert Xu
2020-12-14 20:56     ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-02-15  2:47     ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.12 Herbert Xu
2021-02-22  1:28       ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-04-26 12:32       ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.13 Herbert Xu
2021-04-26 15:59         ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-06-28 11:00         ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.14 Herbert Xu
2021-06-28 23:36           ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-08-30  8:28           ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.15 Herbert Xu
2021-08-30 20:17             ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-11-02  3:52             ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.16 Herbert Xu
2021-11-02  4:27               ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-01-11  2:04               ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.17 Herbert Xu
2022-01-11 20:53                 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-03-20 23:42                 ` [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.18 Herbert Xu
2022-03-21 23:14                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-22  5:49                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-03-21 23:18                   ` pr-tracker-bot

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