From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev,
"Claire Chang" <tientzu@chromium.org>,
linux-devicetree <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
"Jörg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
graf@amazon.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 04:32:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250404043016-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <67bd998bfe385088ef863342b9f8714754585476.camel@infradead.org>
On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 09:16:44AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-04-04 at 04:09 -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 08:50:47AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > What's annoying is that this should work out of the box *already* with
> > > virtio-mmio and a `restricted-dma-pool` — for systems which aren't
> > > afflicted by UEFI/ACPI/PCI as their discovery mechanisms.
> >
> >
> > That specifically would be just a driver bugfix then?
>
> I actually think it works out of the box and there isn't even a bug to
> fix. Haven't tested yet.
>
> The sad part is that the system does it all automatically *if* it has
> CONFIG_DMA_RESTRICTED_POOL (e.g. Linux) and the driver never even
> notices that the dma_ops it's using are the swiotlb ops using the
> provided buffer.
>
> Which is *kind* of nice... except that when on a guest OS which *isn't*
> Linux with CONFIG_DMA_RESTRICTED_POOL, the guest will just ignore the
> `restricted-dma-pool` node and try DMA to system memory anyway, which
> will fail.
I mean, it's easy to misconfigure Linux, this is why we love it ;) Why
is this such a concern?
> That's why my proposal adds the negotiated VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB feature, so
> that the device side can refuse, if the guest *isn't* agreeing to use
> the bounce buffer in the situations where it must do so.
OTOH then setting this feature and if you make the device force it,
you are breaking guests restricted-dma-pool which worked previously, no?
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-04 8:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-02 11:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Add Software IOTLB bounce buffer support David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:12 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:47 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 16:16 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 16:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 17:10 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 7:37 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 7:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 8:10 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 6:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04 6:39 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 6:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04 6:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 7:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:45 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 8:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:13 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 7:24 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:31 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-04 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:54 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 8:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 8:22 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 8:34 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 8:57 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06 6:23 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 13:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 7:28 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03 8:06 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 6:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04 7:50 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 8:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 8:16 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 8:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-04-04 9:27 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:15 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 11:15 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06 18:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-06 18:47 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 7:54 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 9:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 10:09 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 14:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 14:59 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 12:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 12:46 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 7:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04 8:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04 9:39 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 7:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 9:40 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] transport-mmio: Document restricted-dma-pool SWIOTLB bounce buffer David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] transport-pci: Add SWIOTLB bounce buffer capability David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:21 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03 7:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 7:36 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 7:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 8:12 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 8:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 8:37 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 8:44 ` David Woodhouse
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