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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Michael Kelley <mhklinux@outlook.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] mm: Export vmf_insert_mixed_mkwrite()
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:42:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250410074228.GA680@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR02MB4148597D0495C631F6E3F8C0D4B42@BN7PR02MB4148.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Apr 09, 2025 at 02:10:26PM +0000, Michael Kelley wrote:
> Hmmm. What's the reference to "as told last time"? I don't think I've had
> this conversation before.

Hmm, there was a conversation about deferred I/O, and I remember the
drm folks even defending their abuse of vmalloc_to_page on dma coherent
memory against the documentation in the most silly way.  Maybe that was
a different discussion of the same thing.

> 
> For the hyperv_fb driver, the memory in question is allocated with a direct call
> to alloc_pages(), not via dma_alloc_coherent(). There's no DMA in this scenario.
> The memory is shared with the Hyper-V host and designated as the memory
> for the virtual framebuffer device. It is then mapped into user space using the
> mmap() system call against /dev/fb0. User space writes to the memory are
> eventually (and I omit the details) picked up by the Hyper-V host and displayed.

Oh, great.

> Is your point that memory dma_alloc_coherent() memory must be treated as
> a black box, and can't be deconstructed into individual pages? If so, that makes
> sense to me.

Yes.

> But must the same treatment be applied to memory from
> alloc_pages()? This is where I need some education.

No, that's just fine.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-10  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-08 18:36 [PATCH 0/3] fbdev: Add deferred I/O support for contiguous kernel memory framebuffers mhkelley58
2025-04-08 18:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: Export vmf_insert_mixed_mkwrite() mhkelley58
2025-04-09 10:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-09 14:10     ` Michael Kelley
2025-04-10  7:42       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-04-11  3:40         ` Michael Kelley
2025-04-08 18:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] fbdev/deferred-io: Support contiguous kernel memory framebuffers mhkelley58
2025-04-09 10:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-08 18:36 ` [PATCH 3/3] fbdev: hyperv_fb: Fix mmap of framebuffers allocated using alloc_pages() mhkelley58

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