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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com>,
	michael.christie@oracle.com, sgarzare@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 4/4] vhost: Add a KConfig knob to enable IOCTL VHOST_FORK_FROM_OWNER
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 06:55:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250429065044-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEstbCKdHahYE6cXXu1kvFxiVGoBw3sr4aGs4=MiDE4azg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 11:39:37AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:46 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:45 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 10:45 AM Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Introduce a new config knob `CONFIG_VHOST_ENABLE_FORK_OWNER_IOCTL`,
> > > > to control the availability of the `VHOST_FORK_FROM_OWNER` ioctl.
> > > > When CONFIG_VHOST_ENABLE_FORK_OWNER_IOCTL is set to n, the ioctl
> > > > is disabled, and any attempt to use it will result in failure.
> > >
> > > I think we need to describe why the default value was chosen to be false.
> > >
> > > What's more, should we document the implications here?
> > >
> > > inherit_owner was set to false: this means "legacy" userspace may
> >
> > I meant "true" actually.
> 
> MIchael, I'd expect inherit_owner to be false. Otherwise legacy
> applications need to be modified in order to get the behaviour
> recovered which is an impossible taks.
> 
> Any idea on this?
> 
> Thanks

At this point, as we changed the behaviour, we have two types of legacy applications
- ones expecting inherit_owner false
- ones expecting inherit_owner true

Whatever we do, some of these will have to be changed.
Given current
kernel has it as true, and given it is a cleaner behaviour that will
keep working when we disable CONFIG_VHOST_ENABLE_FORK_OWNER_IOCTL in 10
years, I think it's the better default.
If you want to change it transparently, look for ways to
distinguish between the two types.

The application in question is qemu, is it not?
I do not see how sticking an ioctl call into its source is such
a big deal, if this is what we want to do.
A bit of short term pain but we get clear maintainable semantics.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-29 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-21  2:44 [PATCH v9 0/4] vhost: Add support of kthread API Cindy Lu
2025-04-21  2:44 ` [PATCH v9 1/4] vhost: Add a new parameter in vhost_dev to allow user select kthread Cindy Lu
2025-04-21  3:25   ` Jason Wang
2025-04-22 13:36   ` Stefano Garzarella
2025-04-21  2:44 ` [PATCH v9 2/4] vhost: Reintroduce kthread mode support in vhost Cindy Lu
2025-04-21  3:39   ` Jason Wang
2025-04-21 10:59     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-21 10:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-21  2:44 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] vhost: add VHOST_FORK_FROM_OWNER ioctl and validate inherit_owner Cindy Lu
2025-04-21  3:40   ` Jason Wang
2025-04-22 13:45   ` Stefano Garzarella
2025-04-21  2:44 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] vhost: Add a KConfig knob to enable IOCTL VHOST_FORK_FROM_OWNER Cindy Lu
2025-04-21  3:45   ` Jason Wang
2025-04-21  3:46     ` Jason Wang
2025-04-29  3:39       ` Jason Wang
2025-04-29 10:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-04-30  3:34           ` Jason Wang
2025-04-30  9:27             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-05-13  4:08               ` Jason Wang
2025-05-13  7:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-05-14  2:52                   ` Jason Wang
2025-05-15  6:05                     ` Cindy Lu
2025-05-15  6:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-05-16  1:31                       ` Jason Wang
2025-05-16 10:39                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-05-19  7:34                           ` Jason Wang
2025-04-22 13:50   ` Stefano Garzarella
2025-04-23  1:01     ` Cindy Lu

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