From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>, Tomas Glozar <tglozar@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <jlelli@redhat.com>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 12/17] sched: Adapt sched tracepoints for RV task model
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 17:31:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250716153144.GY1613200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be966ed3d4a7ace6aa430bbc5c16ecbff3118426.camel@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 04:38:36PM +0200, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> So as you said, we can still reconstruct what happened from the trace, but the
> model suddenly needs more states and more events.
So given a sequence like:
trace_sched_enter_tp();
{ trace_irq_disable();
**irq_entry();**
**irq_exit();**
trace_irq_enable(); } * Ni
trace_irq_disable();
{ trace_sched_switch(); } * Nj
trace_irq_enable();
{ trace_irq_disable();
**irq_entry();**
**irq_exit();**
trace_irq_enable(); } * Nk
trace_sched_exit_tp();
It becomes somewhat hard to figure out which exact IRQ disabled section
the switch did not happen in (Nj == 0).
> If we could directly tell whether interrupts were disabled manually or from an
> actual interrupt, that wouldn't be necessary, for instance (as in the original
> model by Daniel).
Hmm.. we do indeed appear to trace the IRQ state before adding
HARDIRQ_OFFSET to preempt_count(). Yes, that complicates things a
little.
So... it *might* be possible to lift lockdep_hardirq_enter() to before
we start tracing. But then you're stuck to running with lockdep
enabled -- I'm thinking that's not ideal, given those other patches you
sent.
I'm going to go on holidays soon, but I've made a note to see if we can
lift setting HARDIRQ_OFFSET before we start tracing. IIRC the current
order is because setting HARDIRQ_OFFSET is using preempt_count_add()
which can be instrumented itself.
But we could use __preempt_count_add() instead, then we loose the
tracing from setting HARDIRQ_OFFSET, but I don't think that is a
problem. We already get the latency from the IRQ tracepoints after all.
> I get your point why we don't really need the additional tracepoint, but some
> arguments giving more context come almost for free.
Right. So please always try and justify adding tracepoints.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-16 15:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-15 7:14 [PATCH v3 00/17] rv: Add monitors to validate task switch Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] tools/rv: Do not skip idle in trace Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 11:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 12:18 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 13:05 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 13:13 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] tools/rv: Stop gracefully also on SIGTERM Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] rv: Add da_handle_start_run_event_ to per-task monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] rv: Remove trailing whitespace from tracepoint string Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] rv: Return init error when registering monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] rv: Use strings in da monitors tracepoints Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 14:11 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] rv: Adjust monitor dependencies Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 8:19 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 8:30 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] verification/rvgen: Organise Kconfig entries for nested monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 14:48 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 7:40 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] tools/dot2c: Fix generated files going over 100 column limit Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 15:01 ` Nam Cao
[not found] ` <d69862275becf1d296c80a08b29b2081857a85a1.camel@redhat.com>
2025-07-16 9:34 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] rv: " Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 15:08 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-15 15:24 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 8:13 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 9:07 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] rv: Retry when da monitor detects race conditions Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 15:23 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 8:20 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 8:27 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 8:38 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 8:45 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 8:59 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 9:02 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] sched: Adapt sched tracepoints for RV task model Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 13:40 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 13:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 14:07 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 14:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-16 14:38 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-07-16 16:14 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 15:09 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 15:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] rv: Adapt the sco monitor to the new set_state Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] rv: Extend snroc model Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] rv: Replace tss monitor with more complete sts Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 16/17] rv: Add nrp and sssw per-task monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-15 7:14 ` [PATCH v3 17/17] rv: Add opid per-cpu monitor Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 9:38 ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16 10:00 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-18 10:26 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-07-16 9:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/17] rv: Add monitors to validate task switch Nam Cao
2025-07-16 12:20 ` Gabriele Monaco
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